Passing bound, named items among my own chars

[SyriusBlaekk]

I quite oftenly get some nice raid items that do not fit my class, ie Marilith Chain for monk or Icy Raiment for ranger (which is not so bad, but my playing style requires other type of clothing) or tomes that I already used. I am a kind of person who likes to share, so as we all do, I assign my loot to other player.

BUT! Sometimes players already got the same item or used that tome or the item does not fit to their class or playing style. And, of course, according to The Murphys Law I have to spend the whole eternity of grinding (which I never do for I am a player, not farmer) to get the same item, which ruins my gaming pleasure.

D&D is a game of skill and wit, game that makes it unique from all others ever, and it should stay away from uber-powered item flood. But, on the other hand, I dont think item transfer inside the account can ruin the economy of the game. Or at least a well designed idea of checkmark box for the class loot to be "fine-tuned"

[Krio Gen]

It will not happen.

[Ondal]

I'd hate being on a raid, seeing something I could use drop, then just have the character who can't use it say: Great, can use that on my alt. Or even worse, myself giving something away, only to afterwards get told "Thanks Ondal, will work great on my alt".
Raid items should go to those who were in the raid, this has worked out pretty good so far. Sometimes people have something they can donate, other times they get the chance of receiving.

So no, just leave it as it is.

[SyriusBlaekk]

Just to add some more: my monk got Bard's Cloak (Greater Command 2/Day, Charisma +6, Perform +15) in VoD, and my ranger got Enlightened Vestments (Outfit, Armor Bonus +6, Banishing Fists, Wisdom +6) VoD raid too

I think that being able to transfer 1 item per month or some limited number, lets say 5 per year (whether we transfer them within 5 mins or 5 months in the course of the year) will not hurt gameplay.

[Ondal]

Well, wasn't there anyone around you could make happy by giving it to them? I've only been in VoD once, and that bard cloak dropped for someone else. That nice person asked if I wanted it, and of course I was happy about that. Same with being able to give stuff away I can't use myself, it makes another raid member happy.

I know you could argue about all loot being bound then, but it's not really the same. You "need" items for your character, but raid stuff is supposed to be special, something you earn for yourself.
Can't really remember a single time where I seriously stopped and thought to myself: Damn, what a huge waste I didn't have my other character here.

Look at it this way, you're bound to run into that cloak again, perhaps it'll drop for someone who can't use it while you are on your bard. Same with the monk pyjamas.

[SyriusBlaekk]

Sharing has always been the best solution, of course. I have seen nice loot left in chests too many times, just because people already had it or were not able to use it. And repeating raids more than 10 times can only make someone feel sick, no matter the company which is the best part of the whole raid

[Krusha]

Its an interesting concept, the ability to transfer bound items between your own characters. Ondal says that he hates the idea of giving an item over to a player only for them to say "Ohh great I can use that on my alt..." yet goes on to say he likes being able to give an item he can't use to another member of the raid. Even if that person were able to transfer the item to another alt, what difference does it make Ondal... You've still made that player and yourself happy...

Would it damage the game economics I wonder if players had the ability to transfer bound items such as raid items or even tapestry helms, tome page weapons and the like? I personally don't think it would. Take tapestry helms for example. The collectables are so easy to gather anyways it wouldnt make any difference here. Tome of Legend items like dethnip, now they are different. Firstly you have to get flagged for the abbot, then you have to hack your way through the black mausoleum. Then you have to do each of the mini-bosses however many times since the tome pages are a random (small percentage!) drop. I have 2 dethnips on my pure barbarian (knuckulz) who doesnt (yet!) have GTWF and a tempest barbarian (krusha) who does... I personally would love to try the 'nips on Krusha - who has two WoP rapiers that have had the force critical ritual added to them, which I would like to try on Knuckulz (WoP rapiers critting on a 13 anyone?? )

So on a personal level, the ability to swap bound items around my own toons would not quench my desire to continue to play the game, nor do I believe it would hurt the game in any way. Syrius makes a very strong point and one I fully agree with "Spend an eternity grinding to get an item..." I know from personal experience what a pain in the butt it is to get ready for a raid doing the prequests and so on, completing the raid only to see the item I have been looking for go to someone who takes it just because they can and not because they actually either need it or are going to even use it. Some of the older raids like Velah for example are becoming increasingly difficult to get a grp going so lessening the chances even further still of getting items.... Like a paladin who took the SoS and I quote "I only ever use one handed weps, but it looks nice...." and this was despite the fact the raid leader was a barb and there were two other barbs (myself included). Now if that Pally had the ability to transfer the SoS to another toon that would actually use it, perhaps I wouldnt mind so much


What I do believe and see hurting the games longevity is the incessant grind, the lack of options, the way the Devs add new quests and so on with each mod but generally don't add things that give the game more substance and depth. Lets face it, within a few days of a new mod being released we've pretty quickly worked out which quests are the best to loot (I have 200+ stones from running with devils on krusha!!), but once that gravy train dries up its back to normal....

just my two pennies worth....

[Ondal]

Originally Posted by Krusha

Its an interesting concept, the ability to transfer bound items between your own characters. Ondal says that he hates the idea of giving an item over to a player only for them to say "Ohh great I can use that on my alt..." yet goes on to say he likes being able to give an item he can't use to another member of the raid. Even if that person were able to transfer the item to another alt, what difference does it make Ondal... You've still made that player and yourself happy...

Because the alt didn't do anything, might be low level, might be a lot of things, I can't know. Given something directly to a person, I know (well, have a genuine feeling at least) if it's good for them and they're not just being greedy sobs. Those with a lot of alts (like myself) could have a use for anything, meaning that nice tendency where people happily hand over stuff would go away, because they can always use it themselves.

I only care about this for raid stuff tho, because I like to conserve at least part of "raids being something special". For all I care you can transfer as many hats, ritualized items etc. as you want.

[Krusha]

Originally Posted by Ondal

that nice tendency where people happily hand over stuff would go away, because they can always use it themselves.

Another good point Ondal. Initially it might have a small impact, but then again the sort of people that happily hand things out to others or to roll are the sort of people that will do that kind of thing regardless of the options. I don't think it would make any difference what the options were to those people.

In other words, its not the options available thats the "problem"... its the greedy sobs behind the character thats the problem...

[happy75]

Nice idea, wont happen for the reason Krusha already said.

Every raid (except TS) you have to get flagged. Some of these flagging processes takes a bit more than velah and DQ rush through quests like collecting tokens/items fro GT and Abbott.

Wouldn't be fair to pass loot from your cleric (who always gets grouped) to your mixed breed 28 point Batfink Rogue from beta that wouldnt get an invite to run favour (even if he was opener) lol