Remove level restrication to dungeons

[Broder]

Hi

Would be wonderful if the level restrications to dungeons
was removed and replaced with a warning.

I duo sometimes my low lev alt, and have great fun to take on quests series as Deleras, Tangelroot, STK, Co6, Threnal at really low level.
But as for now we always stop because of the level restrications.
And i know, why dont u take lower quests on hard / elite and so on, but the
rewards from this quests have some really nice low level stuff, and
therfor seems a bit pointless to reset quests to take the first or second quest in quest series again.

[MrMeAtus]

That would also be my initial thought ... but upon further reflection, it is a good idea as it:

1. Keeps you striving for something (i.e., the carrot)
2. Stops people from only doing a couple of quests repeatedly to power-level their alts. I think everyone does this to some extent, but it is already a bit overboard

[Ondal]

I've always wondered why there's restrictions, because I don't see any reason for them. Your point 2 Atus is somewhat correct, but if you want to powerlevel, having a few quests restricted doesn't really make a difference. If I'm able to do, say Hiding in Plain Sight, with a group of 6-9, it's silly those at level 6 can't get completion on it, as a level 6 surely isn't useless there. Same with Stormcleave, I've done it plenty of times where not all meet the requirement of 5th, but at least they can enter if just one is 5th.

Let's say I wanted a serious challenge for a level 4 group, SC would be a good place really. Clearly this wouldn't be an option for non-twinked characters, but there's nothing wrong with twinking and/or powerleveling, it's up to the individual.

So in short, yes, do remove level restrictions from dungeons, it's our own fault if we die horribly

[Anthorin]

/signed but on one condition

i.e. we do not get masses of show-off postings about groups of level 1 alts completing Reaver ;-). Frankly I am fed up with all the self-loving posts in here with everyone trying to outdo everyone else for the most extreme completions. I would think it is quite enough for the rest of your guild to know your accomplishments.

[Grace]

Guys,


Fwuffy Ondal you should know better ::spanks::

In the early ddo days the level restriction was very flexible, much more so than now...

Then

The plat farmers arrived and voila level restrictions tightend and a loot nerf if you are too low lvl to enter the quest (This was introduced much later i think partly due to us looting chests with very low lvl alts in relic and party because of plat farmers looting From Beyond the Grave type quests with low lvls).

[Ondal]

Originally Posted by Grace

Fwuffy Ondal you should know better ::spanks::

Knowing better would require knowing something in the first place, but thanks for having such high thoughts of me

Originally Posted by Grace

In the early ddo days the level restriction was very flexible, much more so than now...

Then

The plat farmers arrived and voila level restrictions tightend and a loot nerf if you are too low lvl to enter the quest (This was introduced much later i think partly due to us looting chests with very low lvl alts in relic and party because of plat farmers looting From Beyond the Grave type quests with low lvls).

As it is now, you apparently do get a slam on your loot if you're too low level. To be honest, I'd never do for instance SC at level 4 for loot, it'd be for the challenge, as it'd probably be a lot easier and faster to powerlevel somewhere else, Tangle springs to mind.
Would be fair enough to say if you don't meet the level req, you'll get no loot at all. So a level 4 in SC would get empty chests, as would a level 6 in HiPS.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by Ondal

Knowing better would require knowing something in the first place, but thanks for having such high thoughts of me



As it is now, you apparently do get a slam on your loot if you're too low level. To be honest, I'd never do for instance SC at level 4 for loot, it'd be for the challenge, as it'd probably be a lot easier and faster to powerlevel somewhere else, Tangle springs to mind.
Would be fair enough to say if you don't meet the level req, you'll get no loot at all. So a level 4 in SC would get empty chests, as would a level 6 in HiPS.

Funny enough i played ddo on friday night and a mate asked me to bring my bard/rogue to SC, she's lvl 4 i did get crappy loot and 6k xp (highest lvl in group 7 i think)

I wouldnt find if they removed level restriction, like you say, if they make loot very poor/none and nerf xp. This would mean we do only do it for fun with little gain and it means it cant be abused.

[Darkfate]

/signed

I dont care about the loot or the reward.. I just want to play the quests even if alittle higher..

Cause i remember when i did deleras with a good grp, and 2 of us could not enter the Thrall of the necromancer cause we was 1 lvl lower than the quest.. That kinda sucks lot.. So once again signed..

[Ondal]

Originally Posted by Grace

I wouldnt find if they removed level restriction, like you say, if they make loot very poor/none and nerf xp. This would mean we do only do it for fun with little gain and it means it cant be abused.

A bit tricky for me, because I usually say if they were to introduce a "nightmare" difficulty, it shouldn't give you anything extra but the challenge
So to at least stay consistent, how about going as level 4 on a level 5 minimum (Stormcleave as example) quest gives you -10%? Just as you get negative percents if you're higher than the quest level? Then again, if your group of level 4 people is strong enough to beat a level 5 minimum quest, I don't really understand why they shouldn't get full XP, I mean, that would be quite a feat to perform.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by Ondal

A bit tricky for me, because I usually say if they were to introduce a "nightmare" difficulty, it shouldn't give you anything extra but the challenge
So to at least stay consistent, how about going as level 4 on a level 5 minimum (Stormcleave as example) quest gives you -10%? Just as you get negative percents if you're higher than the quest level? Then again, if your group of level 4 people is strong enough to beat a level 5 minimum quest, I don't really understand why they shouldn't get full XP, I mean, that would be quite a feat to perform.

Wouldnt that be unbalancing?
I know i could with a chosen party ofc, complete sc at lvl 4 but then my leveling would consist of

ww > stk > SC > delaras> gwlands > pop > crucibel

oh wait, it already does anyway point is, people who have been playing ages and are skilled /and /twinked /and platfarmers could then level very fast indeed thus proly increasing the amount of *im booored, im lvl 14, raise the lvl cap, turbine sux* posts.
Isnt that why they try to keep us within a certain range?

Although i have to agree take away/nerf the loot and give us full xp and id be happy
But then ive never asked for a lvl cap increase or stated im bored.