Traps

Mighty · 11-06-2007, 05:48 PM

Firstly i want 2 say congrats to the ones that came up with and implimented these traps in giant hold, a particular one pops to mind, the trapped chest in cabal for one on elite:-

Since this trap i came accross ive found my self switching more and more onto being a rogue and love it. first time got my a** fried and since worked so hard 2 beat this trap and finnally improved enough to only need 2 roll a 3 which i love coz means im not 100% sure ill disarm it lol.

What i would like to see is more of these sorts of traps all over, with a very high dc level where only the purest and top rogues can disarm and stop groups skipping a rogue in a group.

A second suggestion is no matter how high a rogue gets his dd skill could we see it where in the event a rogue rolls a 1 the trap blows, gives that sort of challengue.

alts:

Holywarrior - Pally
Mintymatt - Wiz
Mightymatt - Cle
Sneakmaster - Rog
Soulmaster - Fig
Madmatt - Bard

Ondal · 11-06-2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mighty

...and stop groups skipping a rogue in a group.

Not again...

There's no classes who are or should be needed in ANY quest, this goes for rogues as well.

Eme · 11-06-2007, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ondal

Not again...

There's no classes who are or should be needed in ANY quest, this goes for rogues as well.

its not 'needed', its a 'bonus'

and yes there should definetely be tons more traps like this, and shortcuts past hard mobs . access to locked shrines etc etc that really pushes rouges abilities, even so high that maybe at times there wont even be a rogue on the server that can disarm or get to certain chests/areas at current levels unless extrememly well equipped/skilled...

remember ' GREED' is not 'NEED'.

thinking about this more its definetly 'needed' to have harder stuff all over the place, especially for replayability factor, imagine going back to wizking after level14 was introduced (and higher searches and spots) to suddenly find theres a secret treasure room and corridors that noone knew of before. It makes sense as the wizking is much harder and higher level than you that there might be secrets of 'his level' about.
It would definetly encourage people to run quests other than the current highest more often.

Chorster · 12-06-2007, 12:09 PM

Great trap and hurts BIG!! so yes its a step in the right direction for rogue needs.

That sideways force trap had me rolling up for ages, just thinking about that player being blown to the left in the blink of an eye has me grinning. Its the only trap I dont want to warn people about

Yaskin Forrit · 19-06-2007, 11:18 AM

Its about time we had some serious, devious and downright nasty traps.

There are too many high level high HP playes who think they can run through any trap (I was begining to think that way myself). The side force trap caught me completely by surprise.

We seriously need to see more of these types of trap.

On a slightly different note, I am finding ,more and more that I get invites shortly after logging on with my rogue. I reckon groups are beginning to realise the true worth of a rogue.

Spangled · 19-06-2007, 04:03 PM

What would be nice is if there was some significant variation in trap difficulties throughout quests e.g. some, every batman could do, others requiring fully tooled pure(ish) rogues.

The chest mentioned above is a nice example. It can be done by the very best rogues, but not by half hearted ones.

Hidden d20 search roll modifiers (instead of taking 10) together with traps randomly being set or not set in instances would provide a nice air of uncertainty; is the trap there, or did I make a bad roll. Of course one could search again, and again, and again but then it is an issue of patience versus safety. I think this could add a lot to the dungeon experience. Imagine - the rogue searches 3 times (with, unbeknownst to him, low rolls) for the nasty exploding trap...doesn't find a thing...safe guys, my spot was a false alarm...boom.

Is nice to see really nasty traps too, rather than ones that are an annoyance.

Would also be nice to have traps on chests...say a random chance of there being a nasty poison needle (save or die?) on any given chest. "No, you open it. No, YOU open it! I told you we should have taken that rogue who wanted to join..."

kittenbot · 20-06-2007, 10:32 AM

So long as these "uber hard" traps only give optional stuff and they're not impassable otherwise, frankly I have a rogue who's assasin specced but has as many points as his level allows in trap finding and disarming and I'm irritated by how I can't find traps even 1 level above me with +3 goggles.

Lyryel · 24-06-2007, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mighty

Firstly i want 2 say congrats to the ones that came up with and implimented these traps in giant hold, a particular one pops to mind, the trapped chest in cabal for one on elite:-

Since this trap i came accross ive found my self switching more and more onto being a rogue and love it. first time got my a** fried and since worked so hard 2 beat this trap and finnally improved enough to only need 2 roll a 3 which i love coz means im not 100% sure ill disarm it lol.

What i would like to see is more of these sorts of traps all over, with a very high dc level where only the purest and top rogues can disarm and stop groups skipping a rogue in a group.

A second suggestion is no matter how high a rogue gets his dd skill could we see it where in the event a rogue rolls a 1 the trap blows, gives that sort of challengue.

alts:

Holywarrior - Pally
Mintymatt - Wiz
Mightymatt - Cle
Sneakmaster - Rog
Soulmaster - Fig
Madmatt - Bard

Erm whats your Disable Device? Today I went in there on elite I was able to find the trap on a DC of 62 for search, the disable device however was a DC of 75 to disarm, I was only able to disarm it on a roll of 11 or higher and i had to have a bard buff on me for that.

Burty · 25-06-2007, 09:56 PM

I agree we need bigger and harder traps, harder chests and doors to unlock and more things to search for. I also agree that you shouldnt need to do this things to get a quest done so alternative routes through a quest either by wis runes, bashing things, talking to an NPC or burning a door down with a fireball. What I dont agree with is the character that takes 1 rogue level and can still do as well as most pure rogues just because the traps have been made too easy just as reducing the difficulty in the cabel for one quest when there wasnt a problem with it anyway

I also think more devious and interesting traps need to be in the game like absorbing your spell points, crippiling the first person to run through it for 30 mins or even better an acid trap that disolves a persons gold if you try going through without it being disarmed

just my oppinion

Shaell · 28-06-2007, 09:41 AM

As is, completely (more or less) by the rules, Elves and Drows,
makes for better 'trap monkeys', due to the high obtainable SPOT,
needed for the current traps.

Halflings only joy is sneaking, and as is now with sneaking = deprecated halflings.
or maybe give them (not by rules) somekind of racial bonus to handle traps
(spotting traps as well as DD things, not spotting in general)

11-06-2007, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mighty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 123	Traps Firstly i want 2 say congrats to the ones that came up with and implimented these traps in giant hold, a particular one pops to mind, the trapped chest in cabal for one on elite:- Since this trap i came accross ive found my self switching more and more onto being a rogue and love it. first time got my a** fried and since worked so hard 2 beat this trap and finnally improved enough to only need 2 roll a 3 which i love coz means im not 100% sure ill disarm it lol. What i would like to see is more of these sorts of traps all over, with a very high dc level where only the purest and top rogues can disarm and stop groups skipping a rogue in a group. A second suggestion is no matter how high a rogue gets his dd skill could we see it where in the event a rogue rolls a 1 the trap blows, gives that sort of challengue. alts: Holywarrior - Pally Mintymatt - Wiz Mightymatt - Cle Sneakmaster - Rog Soulmaster - Fig Madmatt - Bard

12-06-2007, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chorster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 336	Great trap and hurts BIG!! so yes its a step in the right direction for rogue needs. That sideways force trap had me rolling up for ages, just thinking about that player being blown to the left in the blink of an eye has me grinning. Its the only trap I dont want to warn people about __________________ I am thankful for laughter, except when milk comes out of my nose. Itsa Behindyou 13. Reloaded 16. Clap Trap. 16 Lettuce Atom 16. Chortser 12. Chorster 16. Devourer Guild List

20-06-2007, 10:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
kittenbot Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 887	So long as these "uber hard" traps only give optional stuff and they're not impassable otherwise, frankly I have a rogue who's assasin specced but has as many points as his level allows in trap finding and disarming and I'm irritated by how I can't find traps even 1 level above me with +3 goggles. __________________ kittenbot - the ******* with a heart of gold.

25-06-2007, 09:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Burty Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 121	I agree we need bigger and harder traps, harder chests and doors to unlock and more things to search for. I also agree that you shouldnt need to do this things to get a quest done so alternative routes through a quest either by wis runes, bashing things, talking to an NPC or burning a door down with a fireball. What I dont agree with is the character that takes 1 rogue level and can still do as well as most pure rogues just because the traps have been made too easy just as reducing the difficulty in the cabel for one quest when there wasnt a problem with it anyway I also think more devious and interesting traps need to be in the game like absorbing your spell points, crippiling the first person to run through it for 30 mins or even better an acid trap that disolves a persons gold if you try going through without it being disarmed just my oppinion __________________ Level Class Balant Mournlight: Drow lvl 14 Rogue/1 Cleric/ 1/Wizard Ancalagon The Black: Drow lvl 14 Fighter/2 Ranger Neumay Moltengale: Elf lvl 16 Wizard Searaven Spellsong: Drow lvl 16 Bard Box: WF lvl 15 Fighter/1 Ranger Gloranth Steelrain: Elf lvl 16 Ranger Caslatus Crypthound: Dwarf Lvl 15 Cleric/1 Fighter Grumbleduke: Dwarf Lvl 15 Barbarian/1 Fighter Monkfish: Drow Lvl 7 Rogue/3 Paladin/6 Ranger Bobajob: WF Lvl 15 Paladin/1 Sorcerer Keeper Server - available 8pm-2am GMT Last edited by Burty; 25-06-2007 at 10:24 PM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

19-06-2007, 11:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Yaskin Forrit Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Offline...... Posts: 1,000	Its about time we had some serious, devious and downright nasty traps. There are too many high level high HP playes who think they can run through any trap (I was begining to think that way myself). The side force trap caught me completely by surprise. We seriously need to see more of these types of trap. On a slightly different note, I am finding ,more and more that I get invites shortly after logging on with my rogue. I reckon groups are beginning to realise the true worth of a rogue.

19-06-2007, 04:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spangled Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 253	What would be nice is if there was some significant variation in trap difficulties throughout quests e.g. some, every batman could do, others requiring fully tooled pure(ish) rogues. The chest mentioned above is a nice example. It can be done by the very best rogues, but not by half hearted ones. Hidden d20 search roll modifiers (instead of taking 10) together with traps randomly being set or not set in instances would provide a nice air of uncertainty; is the trap there, or did I make a bad roll. Of course one could search again, and again, and again but then it is an issue of patience versus safety. I think this could add a lot to the dungeon experience. Imagine - the rogue searches 3 times (with, unbeknownst to him, low rolls) for the nasty exploding trap...doesn't find a thing...safe guys, my spot was a false alarm...boom. Is nice to see really nasty traps too, rather than ones that are an annoyance. Would also be nice to have traps on chests...say a random chance of there being a nasty poison needle (save or die?) on any given chest. "No, you open it. No, YOU open it! I told you we should have taken that rogue who wanted to join..."

28-06-2007, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Shaell Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 151	As is, completely (more or less) by the rules, Elves and Drows, makes for better 'trap monkeys', due to the high obtainable SPOT, needed for the current traps. Halflings only joy is sneaking, and as is now with sneaking = deprecated halflings. or maybe give them (not by rules) somekind of racial bonus to handle traps (spotting traps as well as DD things, not spotting in general)