Colin McRae series gets Downgraded to 30fps?

gek54 · 07-01-2007, 03:54 PM

From EDGE Magazine:

"Much as the topic seems increasingly moot, it feels like dereliction of duty not to ask the McRae team if DIRT will run at 60 frames per second. The response is one you can expect to become the norm over the coming months, if not further into the future, for all but the most fidgety of games. No, it won't. Two squads of developers, we're told, tested an early build both at 30fps and 60 fps, concluding the influence of post-processing effects was quite enough to maintain the sensation of speed at 30, the controls remaining reponsive regardless. It's worth remembering that when similar was said of PGR3, plenty bemoaned the decision, but few contested the result."

Back in July RFT told us it would be 60fps.

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Originally Posted by RFT

of course it;s worth addung that while the visual will be running at 60fps, the mechanics model will be running at somewhere around 1000hz.

by using smaller timeslices like this, the modelling of suspenson activity, especually damping, can be much more precise.

What the hell is going on? No game this generation has been running at 30fps with or without blur that presents the visual fidelity that 60fps offers. PGR3, Motorstorm, PS3 F1, Test Drive Unlimited all look like crap in motion.

If this is true then I guess our only option for 60fps will be PC because I am sure as hell not supporting another 30fps racing game.

gek54 · 07-01-2007, 04:10 PM

Is this the post processing effect that is suppose to make 30fps ok? Cram in so much detail that a game requires 30fps but once you start to move, as you usually do the vast majority of the time in a racing game, all the detail gets blurred to hell, making it pointless and more difficult for the player to discern the track.

I would take CMR5 crisp 60fps visuals over PGR3 30fps screen smearing any day.

CrazyEvo9 · 19-01-2007, 06:23 PM

Any comments on this RFT?

AZone · 20-01-2007, 06:12 AM

Do you guys sure that your TV will give you more than 30 fps even if the game will run at 60?

**RFT** · 22-01-2007, 02:20 PM

yes the game's going to run at 30fps- after a great deal of testing and work it was decided that was the best compromise between looks and frame rate. there's an important side-issue which is that the rate of screen update isn't tied to the physics update which remains very fast.

July was a very long time ago, and in the course of game development you can't always predict exactly what the process is going to throw up.

gek54 · 22-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Any reason why we wouldnt be able to turn off the crappy blur and run it on a PC at 60+fps?

Marc Brown · 22-01-2007, 07:25 PM

Maybe the cars were to fast to on the screen to see. Just kidding!

Hanski · 23-01-2007, 05:23 AM

It might be that something unnecessary is happening around ,when driving, and that is supposed to amaze players?
And, that takes a huge amount of processing power, so from graphics card and cpu, who knows..

Maybe, kind of "kill, slash and crash" -game. Well, I'm a rallydriver, I do not need that kind of feature, if it is.

hda · 24-01-2007, 08:30 PM

I've just read this about forza 2 (racing game for xbox 360)

"steady 60fps frame rate, HDR lighting, and bump-mapping"

how come dirt can't run at 60fps :/

gek54 · 25-01-2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hda

I've just read this about forza 2 (racing game for xbox 360)

"steady 60fps frame rate, HDR lighting, and bump-mapping"

how come dirt can't run at 60fps :/

I blame the PS3 as being the lead development platform for CMR DIRT(from what I hear).

Forza 2 also has 8 cars on the screen.

They can blur CMR all to hell and it still wont cover up 30fps.

07-01-2007, 04:10 PM	#2
gek54 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 740	Is this the post processing effect that is suppose to make 30fps ok? Cram in so much detail that a game requires 30fps but once you start to move, as you usually do the vast majority of the time in a racing game, all the detail gets blurred to hell, making it pointless and more difficult for the player to discern the track. I would take CMR5 crisp 60fps visuals over PGR3 30fps screen smearing any day. Last edited by gek54; 07-01-2007 at 04:18 PM.

22-01-2007, 02:20 PM	#5
RFT Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,424	yes the game's going to run at 30fps- after a great deal of testing and work it was decided that was the best compromise between looks and frame rate. there's an important side-issue which is that the rate of screen update isn't tied to the physics update which remains very fast. July was a very long time ago, and in the course of game development you can't always predict exactly what the process is going to throw up. __________________ Rich Tysoe Web Editor Codemasters. www.codemasters.com NB: I'm no longer part of the community team and don't get to spend much time on the forums any more, so urgent moderation or other forums matters need to be referred to Helios.

22-01-2007, 07:25 PM	#7
Marc Brown Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: USA Posts: 81	Maybe the cars were to fast to on the screen to see. Just kidding! __________________ There are some people who sit behind the wheel everyday unaware of the potential man and machine can have when pushed 10/10th's in a symbiotic relationship.

24-01-2007, 08:30 PM	#9
hda Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 983	I've just read this about forza 2 (racing game for xbox 360) "steady 60fps frame rate, HDR lighting, and bump-mapping" how come dirt can't run at 60fps :/ __________________ I apologise for any spelling or grammatical mistakes that may have appeared in the post above. I'm not dyslexic, I'm an idiot.

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19-01-2007, 06:23 PM	#3
CrazyEvo9 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 66	Any comments on this RFT?

20-01-2007, 06:12 AM	#4
AZone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NY, USA Posts: 397	Do you guys sure that your TV will give you more than 30 fps even if the game will run at 60?

22-01-2007, 05:34 PM	#6
gek54 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 740	Any reason why we wouldnt be able to turn off the crappy blur and run it on a PC at 60+fps?

23-01-2007, 05:23 AM	#8
Hanski Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,591	It might be that something unnecessary is happening around ,when driving, and that is supposed to amaze players? And, that takes a huge amount of processing power, so from graphics card and cpu, who knows.. Maybe, kind of "kill, slash and crash" -game. Well, I'm a rallydriver, I do not need that kind of feature, if it is.