Book 7 changes

[Cruciblious]

What actually happened in book 7 to annoy all hunters so much?

I finished playing last autumn and came back now, so I missed a lot.. and my hunter feels about the same now as it was all the way back then. Was our DPS jacked up with book 6 and re-nerfed with book 7, or something else..?

[Amphoras]

With MoM, weapon damage got a massive increase. With B7, its been taken back down again. I think some hunters skills had the base damage changed as well, which has annoyed lots of people.

[MéLAnoR]

Crucimli few questions :
Do you feel your hunter is improved with 10 level increase and money paid expansion considering solo and group play?
Do you feel hunter class has evolved and become more fun to play?

since you havent see the early moria hunter imo you can answer objectively to these questions

[Cruciblious]

Originally Posted by MéLAnoR

Crucimli few questions :
Do you feel your hunter is improved with 10 level increase and money paid expansion considering solo and group play?
Do you feel hunter class has evolved and become more fun to play?

since you havent see the early moria hunter imo you can answer objectively to these questions

Sure

The 7 level increase has brought about a huge increase in my DPS, mostly due to the new trait system (bowmaster added damge) and the fact that legendary weapons have a huge DPS. I really enjoy playing it solo. Power consumption is the main issue, but I didn't expect to be a God..

Group play is about the same as before, really. I nuke, I hit hard. I'm a bit disappointed that other classes can hit as hard, but that's the way it goes. The only things we can do is single-target DPS - our AoE is terrible, we have very little CC, so I feel we should by right be the hardest hitting single target. I'm not sure whether that's the case at the moment, I'd have to do more research.

I don't feel the hunter has evolved much. It's the same as ever, which is a tad disappointing. I come on to find that most over classes now have a secondary role - Guardians are now much more damaging if they want to be, RKs can heal OR DPS, LMs can CC or DPS.. but we're stuck doing one thing. I don't mind that, but that does mean we haven't evolved.

The skills from 50-60 were a let down. 'Improved' swift bow. 'Improved' merciful shot. I mean, I love the skills, but I don't want improved ones - I want new ones! Distracting shot is a nice exception

We are definitely better solo than pre-MoM. I'd say we're a bit worse in a group, though.

[MéLAnoR]

Originally Posted by Cruciblious

Sure

The 7 level increase has brought about a huge increase in my DPS, mostly due to the new trait system (bowmaster added damge) and the fact that legendary weapons have a huge DPS. I really enjoy playing it solo. Power consumption is the main issue, but I didn't expect to be a God..

Group play is about the same as before, really. I nuke, I hit hard. I'm a bit disappointed that other classes can hit as hard, but that's the way it goes. The only things we can do is single-target DPS - our AoE is terrible, we have very little CC, so I feel we should by right be the hardest hitting single target. I'm not sure whether that's the case at the moment, I'd have to do more research.

I don't feel the hunter has evolved much. It's the same as ever, which is a tad disappointing. I come on to find that most over classes now have a secondary role - Guardians are now much more damaging if they want to be, RKs can heal OR DPS, LMs can CC or DPS.. but we're stuck doing one thing. I don't mind that, but that does mean we haven't evolved.

The skills from 50-60 were a let down. 'Improved' swift bow. 'Improved' merciful shot. I mean, I love the skills, but I don't want improved ones - I want new ones! Distracting shot is a nice exception

We are definitely better solo than pre-MoM. I'd say we're a bit worse in a group, though.

good to hear you have fun.
Yes i feel the same ; feel liek im playing SoA hunter.

[Ingaras]

Originally Posted by Cruciblious

Group play is about the same as before, really. I nuke, I hit hard. I'm a bit disappointed that other classes can hit as hard, but that's the way it goes. The only things we can do is single-target DPS - our AoE is terrible, we have very little CC, so I feel we should by right be the hardest hitting single target. I'm not sure whether that's the case at the moment, I'd have to do more research.

Here's why a lot of people are upset. Before book 7 hunters were noticably and with distance the best single-target dps. It meant that switching "random dps class" for a hunter made fights noticably shorter and by that easier. Right now, as you say, it's not obvious anymore that we are the best single-target dps class, which means it's hard to justify taking a hunter in a fellowship, where you could also take "random dps class" which probably can do other stuff as well if things don't go as expected.

[Swampster]

I'd disagree, I'd say we're worse in both solo and group play at the moment than we ever have been, but it's matter of personal perspective really.

To be fair hunters were overpowered pre book 7, and I think it's just a case of swinging the nerf bat a little too vigorously. It's like they got together and said, 'so how can we sort out these overpowered hunters!? lets come up with some ideas...' so they did, and instead of using one or two of those ideas.. they just used the whole job lot.

Personally, I think they should have just made the crits a little bit more sensible (8k crits were just stupid), and nerfed our weapons the same as everybody else's... but left the skills alone, that would have done the trick IMO. But no, they did the skills as well, they nerfed some class traits too... on top of which keeping power demands the same, but lowering the effect the BoTR has!

But, going back to that matter of perspective.. all I can say is, that I'm at an all time low ebb as far as this game goes.. in the almost 21 months I've had my hunter, I can say personally I'm enjoying playing him less than I have ever done in that time... but then the same is true about the whole game in general.

[Calladan]

Yeah the nerf on BotR was unexpected and I cant see the reason behind it, I just cant get it. Nerfing a Legendary Trait that way is not right.
DPS nerf? Well why bother? It's bit frustrating (not to be the only and unquestionable Top Single Target DPSer) and slows things down (longer fights) but that's all. At the beginning u want to delete your hunter, but it's a matter of adaptation.

[Jaldorian]

Lorien was the end of the road for me i was finally home with my people & thats it there is no clear role for the hunter now apart from being a taxi service.

[Malrik]

I started a hunter post b7, now beeing in lvl 40s i really enjoy it. Playing as dwarven trapper of foes i find the game so easy, comparing the other classes i played.

I dont really know whats the deal really, i guess people were too spoiled by their high dmg numbers and were upset when turbine took it away. Kinda like when you take away candy from small child.

BUt judging by the populations. If you saw 70% hunters before b7 it meant, the class itself is too powerful and easy to play. Now, while i do level i barely see any hunters around, but i surely see more RKs .