The rapier

Mitrohovitch · 28-03-2006, 02:32 PM

In the neverwinter nights game, a rapier can be used as a light weapon by medium sized creatures, thus making a very nice and stylish offhand weapon, does the same happen in pen n paper D&D?
Because I want to make my fighter a dual wielding rapier tornado, kind of duelist style.

GnorgZomb · 28-03-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitrohovitch

In the neverwinter nights game, a rapier can be used as a light weapon by medium sized creatures,

What? No.
A Rapier has never been a light weapon, nor an off-hand weapon.
It's only light for the purpose of finesse.

Mitrohovitch · 28-03-2006, 02:41 PM

In Neverwinter nights, the rapier was a light weapon for medium creatures.
So for medium creatures its like having a light/small off-hand weapon, with the same penalties those weapons have (-2 for offhand I think).
At least thats what my NWN manual says.

GnorgZomb · 28-03-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitrohovitch

At least thats what my NWN manual says.

It does?
I always used Shortswords for dual-wielding, damn.

AngelOmnipotent · 29-03-2006, 10:38 PM

A rapier is meant to be a medium sized weapon, but light enough to be used off hand just like it would if it was a small weapon. It's still classed as light as it works with Weapon Finesse.

However in DDO you still get an off-hand penalty for using it when you shouldn't.

Neverliste · 30-03-2006, 03:37 AM

off hand always gives you a -2 penalty, regardless of weapon. Using anything but a small weapon or a rapier gives you additional -2. If it isn't the same in DDO, it's either a bug or a rulebreaker.

Daruk · 05-04-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelOmnipotent

A rapier is meant to be a medium sized weapon, but light enough to be used off hand just like it would if it was a small weapon. It's still classed as light as it works with Weapon Finesse.

However in DDO you still get an off-hand penalty for using it when you shouldn't.

A rapier is a medium weapon that is treated like a light weaapon for purposes of weapon finesse only.
D20SRD - Rapier
D20SRD - Weapon Finesse - there's a comma after light weapon

This means you will incur penalties for a medium weapon when you use it in the offhand; unless you're a large creature of course

Sorontar · 05-04-2006, 11:14 AM

Well the rapier isn't classed as a light weapon, even for weapon finesse. It is just a weapon you can use weapon finesse on. As you correctly point out that comma makes a world of difference but a lot of people miss it, the devs of NWN included included it would appear

Hjaldir · 26-04-2006, 11:32 AM

Rules: rapier- class:medium weapons 1d6 18-20 x2 piercing
1,5 m range / counts as light weapon for weapon finesse check and while in clinch/ penalties as offhand in the same way as another medium classed weapon (longsword)/ elfs do get the skill to use it by race

28-03-2006, 02:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mitrohovitch Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 8	The rapier In the neverwinter nights game, a rapier can be used as a light weapon by medium sized creatures, thus making a very nice and stylish offhand weapon, does the same happen in pen n paper D&D? Because I want to make my fighter a dual wielding rapier tornado, kind of duelist style.

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Hjaldir Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 109	Rules: rapier- class:medium weapons 1d6 18-20 x2 piercing 1,5 m range / counts as light weapon for weapon finesse check and while in clinch/ penalties as offhand in the same way as another medium classed weapon (longsword)/ elfs do get the skill to use it by race __________________ The difference in doing and not doing is not only the little but essential word "not", but also the general power, knowledge and usage of chaotic aspects.

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28-03-2006, 02:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mitrohovitch Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 8	In Neverwinter nights, the rapier was a light weapon for medium creatures. So for medium creatures its like having a light/small off-hand weapon, with the same penalties those weapons have (-2 for offhand I think). At least thats what my NWN manual says.

29-03-2006, 10:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
AngelOmnipotent Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 630	A rapier is meant to be a medium sized weapon, but light enough to be used off hand just like it would if it was a small weapon. It's still classed as light as it works with Weapon Finesse. However in DDO you still get an off-hand penalty for using it when you shouldn't.

30-03-2006, 03:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neverliste Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 156	off hand always gives you a -2 penalty, regardless of weapon. Using anything but a small weapon or a rapier gives you additional -2. If it isn't the same in DDO, it's either a bug or a rulebreaker.

05-04-2006, 11:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sorontar Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,158	Well the rapier isn't classed as a light weapon, even for weapon finesse. It is just a weapon you can use weapon finesse on. As you correctly point out that comma makes a world of difference but a lot of people miss it, the devs of NWN included included it would appear