Did i srcew it?

[Vistella]

evryone seems to craft his items the following way:
as example:

fire/etheral/domination as first upgrade, and then
fire/etheral/domination as the 2nd and
fire/etheral/domination as 3rd

so etheral and domination keeps the same on each upgrade

but i didnt do this, i went for
Material + Opposition on first and
Ethereal + Escalation on 2nd

does that affect the overall power of my item?

or does it not matter, and only the elementfoci count?

hope i get the answer i want

lg
Vis

[omissis]

Originally Posted by Vistella the 5th

evryone seems to craft his items the following way:
as example:

fire/etheral/domination as first upgrade, and then
fire/etheral/domination as the 2nd and
fire/etheral/domination as 3rd

so etheral and domination keeps the same on each upgrade

but i didnt do this, i went for
Material + Opposition on first and
Ethereal + Escalation on 2nd

does that affect the overall power of my item?

or does it not matter, and only the elementfoci count?

hope i get the answer i want

lg
Vis

It shouldn't.

[Sarezar]

Originally Posted by Vistella the 5th

evryone seems to craft his items the following way:
as example:

fire/etheral/domination as first upgrade, and then
fire/etheral/domination as the 2nd and
fire/etheral/domination as 3rd

so etheral and domination keeps the same on each upgrade

but i didnt do this, i went for
Material + Opposition on first and
Ethereal + Escalation on 2nd

does that affect the overall power of my item?

or does it not matter, and only the elementfoci count?

hope i get the answer i want

lg
Vis

If your focus was the same on both altars, then your item is fine, as long as you add the same focus again at the 3rd altar (gem and essence don't matter).

If your focus was different on the 1st and 2nd altar, tell us what you used to discuss the possibilities

[omissis]

Small update:

Gem type (Dominion, Opposition, and Escalation) and Essence type (Ethereal, and Material) shouldn't be important for the Special Effect.

For the Foci there should be 3 options:

1) Same Foci for the three upgrade (for the normal Special Effect).

2) Two different Foci for the first two upgrades and one of the two for the third upgrade (I'm not really sure if you always obtain some particular Special Effect).

3) Two different Foci for the first two upgrades and the same two together for the third upgrade (for the super Special Effect).

[Vistella]

i know that thing with the foci

used earth+water (in this order) and got aspect of ooze now, just wanted to know if the gem/essence has any impact, if u mix them, cause evryone seesm to go pure (both gem/essence on each upgrade)


but as i heard it from u, it was what i wanted to hear: it doesnt care

lg
Vis

[Sarezar]

Originally Posted by Vistella the 5th

i know that thing with the foci

used earth+water (in this order) and got aspect of ooze now, just wanted to know if the gem/essence has any impact, if u mix them, cause evryone seesm to go pure (both gem/essence on each upgrade)


but as i heard it from u, it was what i wanted to hear: it doesnt care

lg
Vis

This is my own personal theory atm so if you follow it, it's your choice

I believe you can combine 2 shards of supreme power in the 3rd altar that have different gem and essence.
I think that the gem and the essence play a role in order to let us determine what 3rd normal bonus we will get.

For example, if you want Positive Ethereal Escalation to get +100 SP and +3 Cha skills, and you started let's say for example Positive/Negative in the first 2 altars, you need to find our which gem and essence combined with negative will be overriden by Positive/Ethereal/Escalation, so that you can upgrade Existential Stalemate, too.

If you use a wrong Gem and Essence with Negative on the 3rd altar, Negative may override Positive, and you will end up (for example) with +100sp and +3 to Int skills instead to Cha skills.

So if your last 2 shards, don't share completely different bonuses, there is no problem.
If they do share completely different bonuses (like Deathblock or Greater Regeneration for Material Opposition) then it is good to wait and see which gem+essence combo overrides which.

[Sarezar]

Originally Posted by Sarezar

This is my own personal theory atm so if you follow it, it's your choice

I believe you can combine 2 shards of supreme power in the 3rd altar that have different gem and essence.
I think that the gem and the essence play a role in order to let us determine what 3rd normal bonus we will get.

For example, if you want Positive Ethereal Escalation to get +100 SP and +3 Cha skills, and you started let's say for example Positive/Negative in the first 2 altars, you need to find our which gem and essence combined with negative will be overriden by Positive/Ethereal/Escalation, so that you can upgrade Existential Stalemate, too.

If you use a wrong Gem and Essence with Negative on the 3rd altar, Negative may override Positive, and you will end up (for example) with +100sp and +3 to Int skills instead to Cha skills.

So if your last 2 shards, don't share completely different bonuses, there is no problem.
If they do share completely different bonuses (like Deathblock or Greater Regeneration for Material Opposition) then it is good to wait and see which gem+essence combo overrides which.

So much for my theory...
It's been found to be wrong here.

Certain special effects are bound to certain 3rd altar normal effects. Some classes will be favoured, and some won't. Pitty...

[Bal Sagoth]

this sheet clarifies the dominant focus

http://www.stormlords.net/crafting/C...g_Aspects.html

The First Focus is the items Affinity. The second focus determines the items aspect which is a combination of the two.

Eg. Power Focus Fire , Great Power Focus Earth = Fire affinity with aspect of magma.
Power Focus Earth , Great Power Focus Fire = Earth affinity with aspect of magma.

In order to upgrade a para/quasi aspect properly at the 3rd altar, 2 imbued supreme shards need to be used. Both shards must have identical gems and essences with the two foci being the foci used at the first and second altar. The recipe is:

Imbued shard of supreme power (Focus 1) + Imbued shard of supreme power (Focus 2) + High Energy Cell = Imbued Shard of Supreme Power with Elemental Aspect(Focus 1 + Focus 2) . The Resultant Supershard has the properties of the dominant focus for the purposes of the standard Supreme Power upgrade ( See Item or Weapon Crafting).

This means 24 Large Ingredients , 2 Supreme Power Shards and 10 High Energy Cells !

E.g an Imbued Supreme Shard of Ethereal Opposition Earth +
an Imbued Supreme Shard of Ethereal Opposition Positive
produces the following . Notice the Dominant Focus Earth is the result. Click Here
The Final Upgrade on a "Special" is occasionally slightly more complicated than the para- or quasi-elemental combinations. All We know so far is EEP+EEN+(EEP/EEN)= Existential Stalemate bonus Concordant Opposition.

[Vistella]

The First Focus is the items Affinity. The second focus determines the items aspect which is a combination of the two.

Eg. Power Focus Fire , Great Power Focus Earth = Fire affinity with aspect of magma.
Power Focus Earth , Great Power Focus Fire = Earth affinity with aspect of magma.

thats not true

the us confirmed that order doesnt matter and there seems to be something like a dominant focus

[Bal Sagoth]

Originally Posted by Vistella the 5th

thats not true

the us confirmed that order doesnt matter and there seems to be something like a dominant focus

the 1st focus comes from the 1st upgrade in the altar of Invasion and thats the items affinity

the 2nd comes from the altar of Subjugation that determines the aspect of the item

the aspect is the dominant focus which is the combination of the 2 foci

if i understand this correctly if you start with holy then earth or earth and then holy you'll get different affinity and aspect