Poll: How often are you playing your Level 59/60 Hunter after Book 7?

[MéLAnoR]

This is simply a copy/paste poll thread from US servers (http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=262012) to see active forum user hunters gameplay activity over class post book 7.

This is related to the endgame reagarding level 59-60 hunters even before book7 so please participate the poll both filling the form below and also choose the particular poll options.
I dont just give the poll out but also want people write down as below cause im sure there are mis-pollers or those who doesnt read the OP and mis-participate.


Pre-book7 level : required to be at least lvl 59
Book7 current level : required to be at least level 59

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 0-6 ( you can inform if you have gained watcher radiance set)Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 0-6 ( you can inform if you have gained watcher radiance set)

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : optional
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : optional

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
A. I play more often;
B. I play about the same;
C. I play less often;
D. I rarely play my hunter;
E. I do not play my hunter anymore.

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :


HERE COMES MINE :

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 - no watcher gear
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4800-4900 / 2300-2500 / 490-530
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;


Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : Well ; first of all i still beleive hunter is a fun class but the treatment from devs and their style of game development over this class has broken my enthusiasm ; not cause they nerfed dps cause they didnt even bother to fix a single thing.And the pve development is in a downhill which also bothers me.For pvmp there are soem things need to balanced but there is time for that.
I have some real life issues too so my overall gameplay is also reduced but now i rarely log my hunter to check AH ; farm materials and help a kinnie if im asked to.most of my gameplay now goes to my warden atm which i enjoy a lot.
Btw i havent step into lothlorien ; still waiting it to cooldown , too many white dyed white horsie heroes around.
meh
If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :Warden and im enjoying it.

[MéLAnoR]

<Reserved for compilation of datas - will edit after at least 20 proper posts>

Sample Size : 25 SO FAR

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
A. I play more often; 3
B. I play about the same; 6
C. I play less often; 7
D. I rarely play my hunter; 10
E. I do not play my hunter anymore. 0


If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Champion 5
Warden 3
Minstrel 3
Captain 3
Guardian 2
Runekeeper 1
Lore-master 1
Burglar 1
Any Pvmp class 0

[Scatha the Worm]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7 - Watcher shoulders, no other watcher loot
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4700-4800 / 2700-2800 / 550-570
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : The Hunter feels like it has de-evolved to SoA status, the skill mechanics still lacks (no gated, chain, or reactive skills, just mindless button mashing), and even with the extreme attention paid to a poorly implemented "balance" there are old and new bugs all around.
If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :Captain, looks like will be quite fun.

[Telaron70]

Here's mine

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : full set incl. watcher shoulders
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4700-4800 / 2600-2700 / 586
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : Agi up to 600 all the time (trying to convince myself it helps :D)

Activity Status (regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B. I play about the same

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : Scatha's comments above exactly sum up my own feelings. Although I log on just as often, mainly out of habit, I tend to do nothing much - chat to kinnies, maybe help out with an instance or two if needed, check AH to see if there's a 2A xbow for 50s ;) and log off bored.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :I have rolled a champ (lvl 16) but don't think I'll progress much further. Did the same with Cap/Warden/Burg pre book 7 & deleted them.

[miramuilos]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7 - Watcher shoulders, no other watcher loot
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4650 / 2400-2550 / 574
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B. I play my hunter the same. This is more force of habit then anything else, I have kindred with all factions and so want it with Lorien, my hunter is my 1st character and had been since May 2007. I have seen hunters be struck repeatedly with the nerf bat and I refuse to stop playing this character no matter what the devs do to it! (very stubborn).

I have more fun playing my level 60 tank and minstrel then my hunter. My biggest annoyance is how much fun a hunter was before book 7, compared with now. I know people say it was over powered DPS wise but personally I think I balanced well, we were still squishy but could fight our way out of most things due to large DPS. Now unfortunately we are squishy and cant hit that hard...

I can solo 8 level 59-60 orc mobs with my tank and have never been able to do this with my hunter b4 book 7 or after...Mind you that is using all my "OH SH*T" skills like, WH, etc, which hunters do not have, So hunters can run away, we cant HIP, we cant heal.

So im back to roots and fear. These skills are great (PLEASE LEAVE THEM ALONE CM) And ive moved away from huntsman traits and back to Incombat traps, longer fear and much less DPS.

I really did not think hunters were OP...Also I don't play MP,

Just a crazy suggestion, just a thought i had back before volume one book 11, why dont devs just leave hunters alone? Just stop messing the class around? Just a crazy thought...But im so used to the changes that happen every 3-6months i know that will never happen...

[Dirtball]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 (Full Watcher set)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 (Full Watcher set)

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5100/2800/580
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5100/2800/580

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) : C. I play less often;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : I'm not so annoyed by the DPS nerf (though it is somewhat annoying) however the whole aspect of the grind that has crept into the game has affected me most. Of course this is not just specific the Hunters but all classes out there. As such I started a Champion once Book 7 went live and am enjoying the brainless fun of just running headfirst into a group of mobs and watching them all fall dead at my feet.

[Calladan]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 - no watcher piece
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4940 - 5030 / 2590 / 597 - 580
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
C. Less often

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : Other classes seem more interesting, no special actions/skills that can change the battle. No real skill required to play a moderate hunter.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : Captain / Burg, PvE/PvP reasons.

[Anda%]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 5 - no watcher gear
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : ~4900 / ~2500 / ~500
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
C. I play less often


Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : i play my hunter less, not because the damage adjustment, just because i already have everything on that character i can achieve in the foreseeable future. If i'm going to help a kinnie, it's up to them to decide which character i go with. Levelled my RK to 60 pre-B7 and now working on getting enough Lorien leaves for her to get the Galadhrim horse (Hunter has the one from vol1, no reason to get another). After that, i'll probably go level my LM. Or Captain. Or Champ.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time: Runekeeper, for the reason said above and because now i can fulfill my DPS role, not just being an undervalued healer.

[Bladeriel]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6/6 rad - no watcher items
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5400 / 3000 / 530-550 (gear-dependant)
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : roughly the same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B. I play my hunter about the same

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : no significant changes, my hunter is used for the things she was used to be : grinding mats, helping nondps friends and kinnies to get quests done faster, helping bookquester kinnies and also helping others to acquire HM-coins.
Grinding is still the quickest with a hunter (don't have a champ, nor any decent tactical based classes), even if i run out of power more often while making less damage afterall, just like in good old SoA days. We still have all those wonderful taxi skills filling a whole skillbar tho..
i can live with all these changes (urrmm.. nerf) altogether. it's still a game..
Only thing i notice i do less is pvp. just had enough of all the huntarding whiners (now comes the RK/MNS nerf-whine till book8) and the way turbine responded to all this. shame.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : Finished leveling my warden and i was enjoying every moment from mid40s to 60.

[Noerenn]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set :6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : ???
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same as pre book 7

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Hunters are not fun anymore to play because of the hunter nerf. Grinding item exp is not fun. Everything sucks. Except i play my hunter because she needs kindred with the tailor guild.
I play LRM and CPT now with CPT in training, pretty fun. I think until i got full radiance and kindred with guilds, then i bet i will consider to quit the game. Hopefully book 8 will be good.

[Arhyon]

Pre-book7 level :60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 5/6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 5/6 - still not downed the watcher after book 7

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5200 ~ / 2100 ~ / 590
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
I rarely play my hunter;


Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
I'm boored to play my hunter. We got too much nerfed. The 3 new Legendary traits are useless. The trapper of foes become so useless that i cant immagine an hunter with that path equipped. I still play sometimes just to lvl up my bow.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
I play more often with my minstrel since is better than my hunter on delivering damages. And i also enjoy to use my minstrel in instance ... At last i must use my brain to play as minstrel

[zimoo]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 10
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : Same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : Err roughly, 4.3k morale, 2.2k power, 450 agility
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : Slightly more morale/agility, as I got Jubut-rud since book 7

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
To me the Hunter class feels exactly the same as it did when I first started playing the game, mindlessly pressing 1 or 2 buttons over and over in a pattern. Pretty much the only reason that my Hunter is level 60 is because I wanted to take a DPS class through Moria first, and my Champion had a weird floating weapons bug which really put me off...hence I leveled my Hunter. Another reason why I don't play him is that he feels useless in every single instance compared to my Champion/LM (combine that with the fact that it's also a lot less fun to play). Aside from a few short PVP sessions and 2 GS runs I haven't used him at all since book 7, and will most likely only take him through Lothlorien to get the new instruments for my minstrel. Not really a book 7 issue, I just find the class dull :)

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Champion has been my main ever since she hit 50, and would have been the first to hit 60 if it wasn't for the reason mentioned above. My Lore-master has now overtaken my Hunter aswell as it's much more exciting to play.

[MéLAnoR]

thanks guys for replies
and to those who dont bother to post their form but only vote up come on its not that hard.
This way we can see a non-biased conclusion :)

[Andarne]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 2-6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 2-6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : Morale: 4,something, Power: 2,515
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : Morale: 4,755 Power: 2,515

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
A. I play more often

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : As my HNT is my main, I'm always on it. Only recently ahve I decided to make 3 alts, but mainly for crafting purposes. Since Book7 came out, HNT life has been much more difficult than before. I've seen instances that need one DPS taking in up to 3 HNTS because of the Nerf.
If you have switched to an alt or started another class which class do you spend most of your time on : Hmm..Guardian I guess...lvl 15 already, but still rarely play

[SCM]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 from normal 6 man instances
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : as before not managed to be in kin group that has downed the watcher before or after

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : cant remember exact figures at moment
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same as before by looks of it

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
C. I play less often

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : Main reasons are there is only so much content i can face to repeat over a few days in Loth before i need an escape. Would have liked to have had more quests to do in BK7 to vary the routine up a bit instead of the run 6 crafting instances, run Battle of Loth rinse and repeat every day. The changes i can live with even if i think they went a little too far in the nerfs the class recieved and from playing so far with same traits etc from before BK7 i haven't seen many changes to my hunter just due to being lucky with 2nd Age xbow and its legacies.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : At present playing a Champion who has just reached 52 in a kin levelling group, also levelling a Loremaster slowly solo and main reasons for this is the boredom of needing to repeat the quests in Loth on my hunter.

[Bregventiel]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : still 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6/6 (have the watcher bits)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 6/6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : had 571 Agi unbuffed over 5.2 K morale and 2,5K -ish power
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same agility, 5,6 something morale, same power. (morale comes from ew jewellery)

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B, Its about the same

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : No changes.. :)

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : i have started lvling up a guardian jut for the fun of it. but i'm still active on my hunter

[Flambergius]

Pre-book7 level: 60
Book7 current level: 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set: 6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set: 6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats: 4300 / 2400 / 540
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats: same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific):
B. I play about the same;

By "the same" I mean that I am following the same pattern of play I followed pre-book7: I too stuff first with my hunter until I run out of content, then move to alts. Just before book 7 my hunter got out just for Vile Maw runs, so in a sense I play him a lot more right now. However, the pattern is the correct way of looking at this: my hunter is my unquestioned main.

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS:
I really haven't changed that much.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
I started my first alt, a minstrel, when my hunter ran out of content (and Age of Conan and WAR sucked and I had played Mass Effect twice already :-)). I also took a couple of stabs at other classes, but the only class that combines different-but-fun gameplay and allows me to fill completely different role in a fellowship is my warden.
I play alts mostly because I play enough to run out of content on my hunter. Other reasons: different gameplay, playing other classes makes me a better hunter and better flexibility when fellowing with my friends (some of whom are alt-o-holics).

[LAW666]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7 - 5/6 no watcher pieces
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4700-4800 / 2700-2800 / 570+
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : I dont care that we have lost DPS that much, but the fact that they have nerfed most skills is ridiculous!...more power costs...CC hardly works...fleet stance is a waste of time and i will never slot it....people dont want the hunter as much in instances anymore except for kinship etc...i dont play PVP and never will....i feel my hunter has become a leper!!...i play on warden/ rk or my champ more now unless i need some crafting gear which is all i use my hunter for.....all this just to promote ur 2 new shiny classes Turbine?

[Scappydog]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 4 pieces ( none from Watcher )
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 4 pieces ( none from Watcher )

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4600/2300/535 ( ish )
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4600/2300/535 ( ish )

Activity Status: C I play less often.

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :

I have one main character, a 60 Hunter. I've been here since launch and have survived all the previous nerfs. When Moria was announced and DD posted his Dev Diary on Hunter changes, it actually looked like he had listened to what the community had being saying.

Initially it looked good, our cc worked, we had a few good new skills, new trait lines to play around with and some really good dps. I've spent all those months since MoM launched gearing up, adapting my playstyle and spending many hours finding and levelling up LI weapons to both give me great dps, boost my ranged skills and when in fellowship play get my threat as low as possible. Months of fun and effort down the pan with one update.

As others have said, we are back to pre-moria. Our cc is pretty useless in instances, our dps has been scaled right back, our new skills have been trashed. I am pretty much using the same class traits and Legendary Traits ( even though one has been nerfed ) that I used in SoA.

When I log on in the evening, I'm usually on my Hunter, but I'm logging on later and leaving earlier.

I just get the feeling that this game is being changed to suit the Asian MMO market, one big grind fest with very little challenge, skill or fun. Steefel seems determined to challenge WoW, break into the console market and boast about his Far East success rather than build on what was a great game and make it even greater.

[Telaron70]

I just get the feeling that this game is being changed to suit the Asian MMO market, one big grind fest with very little challenge, skill or fun. Steefel seems determined to challenge WoW, break into the console market and boast about his Far East success rather than build on what was a great game and make it even greater.

Unfortunately I suspect this may be true. The fundamental changes to the game go way deeper than the neutering of a class.

[ValgrenDaar]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 2/6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 2/6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4.7k Morale/3k power/520-530 agility

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
Got to friend status with Elves (had done bk6) but now only play hunter when BoL team needs dps or for kin pvp nights

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
The nerfs were too harsh. Hunters get so few actual damage skills and 2 of those got hit by skill nerfs, penetrating shot is the only one that survived intact. The lack of skills was masked somewhat by higher dps, but now it just shows the glaring definciency in hunter gameplay that we get more travel skills than ranged attack skills. Reducing us to a 3 button combat class.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : Been playing my burglar more as gambles are so much fun, and levelled up my champion, just hit 60. Will probably play her a lot more, decent damage, great survivability and just more fun to play than hunter at minute.

[Divona]

HERE COMES MINE :

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6 - watcher helmet
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5100-5300 / 2700-2900 / 550-580
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4700-4900 / 2900-3100 / same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. Only doing some lorien leaves grinding and crafting instances for hoping to get lucky, so far again still unlucky with hunter class item drops (1 sec age hunter item drop since moria release!)
Also helping kin with watcher.

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
I didnt mind dps nerf, as hunters did alot damage especially with criticals. But instead nerfing weapons dps over the board, skills basic damage nerf was too much. Not enjoying my hunter anymore. And its been serious issue for me as i was playing most of times with me hunter since i started LotRO. Im actually thinking to close my subscription at least until Book8, but (read below)


If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : So instead leaving game, i took a look on my burg who is now lvl 55 so as my LM.
That kept me inside lotro as i found burglar is alot fun to play. So is LM. But as i always loved to play ranged class in many games, i hope Turbine to seriously make some adjustments to hunter class, as this is what holds me in this game. If something wont be changed with that class soon, then i may leave for good. Forcing players to play other classes when your loved class is totally messed up is not right thing.

[MéLAnoR]

2nd post with data results updated up to 19 posts so far.

[Lenin_]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7/6 (helm from watcher)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Activity Status :
B. I play about the same;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
Even pre-book7 I was playing my hunter rarely, that's why I picked the B option. It is because I achieved almost everything I wanted. The crafting instances and quests in lothlorien are too much boring for me. I log my hunter only for kin runs when they need me. Pvmp should be there if you are bored with pve, but hey, when warg gank me and pot out of my 2 legendary skills and crafted trap and put uncurable wounds on me, what a fun! The black horse was my goal for a very long time, but now I am stuck on r7 :S
Basically, playing hunter is too dull in my opinion (in the state of the game atm). But it will be forever my main char and my precioussss one :)

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Warden! I absolutely love it, the combat mechanics and skills variability is brilliant. And it got run-speed buff and ports! At the moment lvl 41 and progressing :P

[Arthelad]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 1/6
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 1/6

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 3.5k Morale/2k power/550 agility
Afterbook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4-4.3k Morale/2-2.2k power/590 agility (kept at 600 all time with food)

Activity Status: I play MORE the hunter, just because in spite of the STUPID devs

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : I agree with most comments. Nerf was STUPID. And I'll tell you a logical point of view: to have such a big nerf mean that either before patch game was bad designed, which means devs are INCOMPETENT, either that they are pursuing comercial and untolkienesques purposes, in which case they are DISHONEST. I strongly think that they mix both, they ruined the game. Crafting instances are BORING. Grinding is BORING. Some dungeons are just a mess.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : I have started 4 alts before the patch, at lvl 14-24. I'm so annoyed with the nerf that I don't want to play the alts. Why? Is the content worth to repeat it to lvl up more alts? NO. It is a nice game, but really! There are tons of much NICER non online rpg games with SPLENDID content. Well, if you like clicking a button tons of time to kill 1000000 mobs, than maybe it's a reason, but if you want story and deep imersion, you can play The Witcher, Kotor, and many else. All beauty in this Lotro game comes from Tolkien's books, and if they tend to go away from it it will get boring and stupid. What if I lvl up a champ (kinda of the class I've played mostly in other games) and than it gets nerf in his turn? I'd rather stick with the hunter, having social activities and other lighter rp stuff, than I'll reconsider if I'll play anymore the game upon devs future behaviour. I pay for having fun, not for beeing bored, and actually my real job is more fun that the game after the patch, so have really a very bad impression about all this book 7 and patch.

[Swampster]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7/8 Just need watcher Helm
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : Same

Activity Status :
C. play less Often.

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
Nerf was too far reaching and OTT in my opinion, I feel like I'm nerfed back to about LVL 50 but worse.. I am enjoying playing a hunter less than at anytime in the previous in 20ish months! That's WAY before being deemed OP in MoM, so before any smart-a*se says it... it's not because I got used to being OP either!

To say I'm just playing my hunter less though is not exactly accurate, I'm just playing the game less... full stop. Whether I renew my subscription in 5 months time will greatly depend on which direction Turbine takes us.. at the moment the game is starting to feel more like a chore to me than a form of entertainment.

[nightbyday]

HERE COMES MINE :

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 5 - no watcher gear (all earned without exploting)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4600-4700 / 2300-2500 / 470-480
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;


no real critisism except nerf was a nerf to far especially ISB and righteous bow , every thing else i can live with.

Playing my minstrel lots as she was neglected with only tier4/5 renics etc. The change means they can solo now any build and it is great fun.

One important point is i found my power pool was to low when running this;
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346798

i didn't have enougth and couldn't regen fast enough, managed to find a trade off so i didn't affect agility (which effects how hard we hit and crit chance along with parry/evade) so i could put in some reasonable times with my 'mr average kit' have also change build from 5bm/2 hm to 4bm/1hm/2 tof MAKING ALL LEGENDARY CLASS TRAIT BUILD USELESS. We all know anything but a BM dominant build nerfs our dps so bad we are the out dpsed on single targets by other classes, building fall BM means we get other issues for sustained dps.

IF they put ISB back to the way it was or at least make third shout above an auto shotthat would be a start AND set righteous bow back to normal. OR add HP/power drain on hit to some thing we can uses.

[OMWiener]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : Full watcher gear
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5200-5400 / 2700-2900 / 560
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same (pondering to switch to kazhad bracelets or turtle bracelets when they come out)

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I play less often;


Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
Turbine has no clue where to take the hunter. We're supposed the number one ST damage dealer, but we can't be because of so-called balance. The fact that most of our attacks are based on inductions (directly and indirectly for focus) seriously hampers our dps abilities when things go wrong, which would warrant high dps.

Induction based combat is frustrating and annoying at times, even more now with the lack of dps to compensate for it.

Turbine is still forcing us to trait BotR and ICPR gear, seriously limitting our build choices once again. Power cost legacies will become almost mandatory.

While our class depends on crits, we didn't get any partial crits to compensate. Champs get a straight out +8% damage to fervour legacy. We get +crit multiplier (same with jewellry) legacies. Hardly equal i would say, since we don't crit as often anymore. Turbine, wake up and decide on the hunter class already. Go back to the drawing boards and think about this for a minute.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :Tried captain, but alting isn't for me. I just can't invest the same time and effort anymore into another character. If things don't change, i'll be leaving the game.

[lihanaamari]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 5
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : 5

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) : I rarely play my hunter

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :

1. I can't remove wounds in PvMP. I grinded and traited for resistances which are now useless. However, the monster players can pot out of all the fears, roots and snares I can throw at them, so unless I have met a complete newbie, I'm dead. I am considering to level up another bow with +10% to QS snare, but I really doubt it's worth the time and effort to do again.

2. Lorien feels pointless. There is no greater goal to it. I'm not having fun being the errand boy for the aristocratic and whiny elves. I rather play my other characters which are lower level.

3. I am fine with the damage output changes. I am running with the same huntsmen-biased setup I was using before the patch. Given that I do feel the third shot in ISB should be returned to what it was, or just scrap the third shot completely.

4. The trapper line could use a little face lift. It should not reduce your damage output by 10%, because you already "lose" PS with it.

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OT:

I don't get why you guys keep whining the other classes can provide roughly the same DPS figures. The one thing I like the most in LotRO is that you are not glued to a fixed group setup for everything you do. Having played a minstrel a lot I have to say that the less obvious advantage of grouping with a hunter instead of aggro-hungry champs or RKs in that there is less to heal due to distance and single-target skills. Many (melee) players do not pay attention to their morale bar and surroundings at all. However good players stick out and are fun to play with no matter how bad, gimped or worthless they might think their class is.

[OMWiener]

I don't get why you guys keep whining the other classes can provide roughly the same DPS figures. The one thing I like the most in LotRO is that you are not glued to a fixed group setup for everything you do. Having played a minstrel a lot I have to say that the less obvious advantage of grouping with a hunter instead of aggro-hungry champs or RKs in that there is less to heal due to distance and single-target skills. Many (melee) players do not pay attention to their morale bar and surroundings at all. However good players stick out and are fun to play with no matter how bad, gimped or worthless they might think their class is.

that's your opinion. I actually like that fact that you need certain classes. Makes the battles more engagin and gives the devs the ability to make them more challenging.

The reason DPS was so favoured in MoM is exactly because certain class setups are not mandatory.

[Elelros]

Ok heres mine :)

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 1 - no watcher gear (dont care about radiance gear)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 3800-4100 / 3100-3300 / 480-550
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
A. I play more often;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
My hunter is my main and still my favourite class by quite a way, ranged dps classes have always been my favourite. Hunter has always been my main and i cant see that changing anytime soon.

I am happy with the changes, and am playing more since book 7 as there has been more for me to do :) When theres nothing for me to do i grind alts.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
If i HAD to switch, it would be captain, as this is my 2nd favourite and 2nd most played class.

[MéLAnoR]

updated ..

[Amoramay Swiftarrow]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : full radiance (including wathcer shoulders and helm)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 5000-5100/ 2700-2850/ 550
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : all same except agility, my agility is now down at around 520, switched a trait or two.

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B. I probably play about the same as i did before, depending on my current mood of the day ;)


Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : I dont really think my gameplay has changed too much. After book 7 i think the nerf hit everyone hard, i started running around traited the same way and fighting mobs almost dieing, this was baffling and a bit of a pain. I played around a bit with different traits and my traits are almost completely different to the way i was pre book 7. I have recovered from the nerf and i'm now running around as i was pre-book 7, just had to try think of a new way to survive and play a little differently. We cant pew pew things dead to the ground any more, you gotta get in to close combat whether you like it or not most of the time, and i am now surviving a lot more in this aspect just by changeing a few different things.
Hunter is still my favourite class by far, i've been playing this character since the game launched, i've survived through many nerfs i'm not just gonna give up on her now!! :D Hit me with everything you got dev's i aint goin nowhere, so all the hunter haters and creeps can get over themselves.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time : I've been playing a RK recently and i love it ... i know i know hunters seem to hate RKs recently but their not that bad. Only lvl 17 atm though and the dps is insane, so i can see RKs in for a bit of a nerf some time soon :)

[Chuffy]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 4/6 used (have non-set helm and shoulders but don't use them as i dont really like them)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats :4900 / 2700-2800 / 550ish
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
A. I play less often;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
The main reason is simply cos I'm a bit bored of the current content, I only reached lvl 50 a month before the release of moria so have no ides what it was like back then, but I really just can't be bothered grinding away at repeatable quests just for the chance at a second age that may be rubbish when I have only just found a 3rd age I love. It does seem like we got a double whammy of nerfy goodness, I don't have lots of high level alts to know for certain, but they don't seem to have had skills whos base damage has been reduced along with their weapon dps. Were hunters mostly considered overpowered because of the huge crits some were getting? It just seems crazy to me to reduce the base damage of skills like ISB ans QS after introducing legacies to increase crits, increase the damage done by HS and burn hot. I like to be able to provide sustained dps and manage my power in a group, do my job with poisons, not hit 8-10k+ once every 5 mins. now it feels like others are able to do more damage than us, so why use us apart from if you really need the poison removal?
I guess I haven't been using him as much for that reason, I don't feel like I am fulfilling the role I am supposed to, which is sad 'cos i love my hunter :(

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
This is my first MMO and the hunter was the class i enjoyed most, yes mostly because it was forgiving for a newbie like me. Really enjoying my captain atm, its nice to feel like a useful part of a group and i really enjoy playing a class that you need to really pay attention to more than just hitting something.

[Neer]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 6/6 - Watcher shoulders, no watcher helm, no other watcher loot
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4900 / 2800 / 570
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
B. I probably play about the same

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
No end game content for me. All quests in Moria and Lorien are done, I've run all the instances handreds of time. Have no mood to farm craft or ixp instances and do repetable quests.
I still fond of my hunter, but there is nothing to do. I'm ok with our trait set, but completly sad with legendary ones. I find no fun in Etten at all post MoM (not post B7)

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Minstrel.
Well, no. Hobbit! I discover the new race and it's really fun for me :D

[Gilthallion]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 7 - Watcher Helm, 1st Age bow
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : 4900 / 2500 / 600
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS : I love my hunter. My first character will always be my main. My problem isn't dps nerf or any changes really. book 7 has stopped me playing him. Lothlorien is just boring. I have done quite a bit there but just dont seem to be able to finish it. Roll on book 8 I say. PvMP is ruined if you ask me, the devs did not think it through. Ok nerf the hunter on freep side because occasionally they can 1 shot a creep. Then they give the BA on the creeps the ability to set you on fire and you not be able to do anything about the flame, then stack them. so they have just reversed the role from freep to creep BA nerf coming next book i feel (I have BA from before Bk7)

f you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :Warden. just hit 60 with her and loving it. Doing the radiance instances after the fixes is good fun and challenging I might even say to challenging ;)

[Avertuil]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 0 - never got around to doing a lot of HM
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : must look up
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D. I rarely play my hunter; [edit: corrected mistake here]

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :
My hunter is my main but not getting a lot of attention lately. I had already rolled an RK pre-bk7 because we could use some more healing power in our kin and I figured it would suit my hunter playing style more than a mini.

So there is the fun in levelling a new class that is competing with my hunter. However, having played my hunter through the start of Lothlorien and book 8 I have noted that my fun playing him has decreased. Part is the somewhat lackluster dps (still playable with a retrait to hunter line). I would say that a small incease in dps would fix a lot there. But mostly I find that after playing my RK I get bored really fast in the very limited creativity playing a hunter. Solo is more fun, but in fs I find my RK far more versatile.

W.r.t Lothlorien I got annoyed really really fast with al the repeatable quests that you are forced into trying to gain access, and the worst of it, they go on cooldown too! A very lazy and artificial way to slow your access to the area which on top of it is no fun at all too. This in combination with the in my opinion badly performed nerf almost got me to log off permanently.

Lothlorien is a beautiful area with rather uninventive quests.

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :
Anything that is more varied than a hunter. Currently RK is a hell of a lot of fun to play. I love keeping a group alive, I love seeing my fire DoTs stack while debuffing a bit and throwing in the odd heal/protection. Very much hoping to regain fun playing my hunter though! I loved my hunter and the role in fs, but that always was more than just pew pew.

[Willowfine]

Pre-book7 level : 60
Book7 current level : 60

Prebook7 Moria Radiance Set : 4/6 (no Wacther, obvs)
Book7 Moria Radiance Set : same

Prebook7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : No idea. Average to slightly rubbish.
Book7 Morale/Power/Agility Stats : same

Activity Status ( regarding game login and gameplay time not pve nor pvp specific) :
D (I think it was D anyway): I rarely play my hunter;

Your own critics over your gameplay activity change and REASONS :

I feel kind of disloyal, as my hunter was my first char, and my only char until MoM, but since then I've been gradually moving away from him towards more "thinking man's" classes. (Specifically Warden and Lore-Master.) Pew-pew has just lost some of its shine for me. I'll still log on and help out if someone needs a hunter, or if I'm raid leading and want to be able to sit back and concentrate on tactics rather than playing. The very fact that I can do this with my hunter, though, pretty much sums up the reason that I'm playing him less and less. It's nothing to do with the nerf. (Although I do miss that god-like rush that MoM gave hunters at first...)

If you have switch to an alt or started another class which class you spend most of your time :

Warden (60) and LM (28), for the reasons above. Just more involving gameplay as far as I'm concerned.

[makarios68]

I guess i´m lucky that i didn´t play the game pre-bk7 - it seems that hunters were a lot stronger (DPS-wise at least) back then and i haven´t had to deal with the huge nerf that people talk a lot about.

I say i´m lucky coz i´m still really enthused about my lvl 57 hunter - i´m REALLY enjoying playing him.

Then again, there´s lots about the game that i´m very enthused about, so maybe it´s not just the hunter class per-se´ .

I haven´t given any other class a good go yet, but i have a sneaky suspicion that after trying them my fave class will still be hunter - in other games i´ve played this has been the case.

A lot of lvl 60 hunters seem to have stopped playing the class in favour of others - i hope the future holds things in store to lure them back to the darkside..