Hunter Nerf ....Rune Keeper dps

[metalex101]

hi there after the patch i tried a bit my hunter and the nerf was abvious i was realy disapointed..yes hunters were OP before book 7 but now? they are just doing a bit higher dps than a Rune keeper or a champion lol...
yesterday a friend of mine ( a rune keeper) 1 shoted a high ranked warg with EC for 4.354 points of lighting damage and a hunter cant do that with BH and HS?:o that's sad.

well i see one thing Turbine has a problem with balancing the classes. in every patch at least 1 class is OP.

check these.
http://img9.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=screenshot00199.jpg

[Scatha the Worm]

hi there after the patch i tried a bit my hunter and the nerf was abvious i was realy disapointed..yes hunters were OP before book 7 but now? they are just doing a bit higher dps than a Rune keeper or a champion lol...
yesterday a friend of mine ( a rune keeper) 1 shoted a high ranked warg with EC for 4.354 points of lighting damage and a hunter cant do that with BH and HS?:o that's sad.

well i see one thing Turbine has a problem with balancing the classes. in every patch at least 1 class is OP.

check these.
http://img9.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=screenshot00199.jpg

Making a post like this will not do any good. There's plenty other posts around where the problems with the hunter class are being looked at by the community. Just showing some screens of RKs damage proves nothing other than you'd prefer to be yourself the one doing that particular shot.

There's discussions about burst DPS, about sustained DPS, about utility, about possible builds, but this doesn't call for an interesting discussion, it just calls for a RK vs HNT thread, which I believe can only hurt any possible change to the current situation.

On the numbers themselves, Hunters can still hit for that kind of crits, of course that using BH only. I also don't believe RKs do these so rarely as they state, but that is truly not that important to me.

[Emli]

On the numbers themselves, Hunters can still hit for that kind of crits, of course that using BH only. I also don't believe RKs do these so rarely as they state, but that is truly not that important to me.

Trust me, it really is that rare, at rank 5 in the Moors now and I've yet to score a hit over 2.5k and that's with always running maximum traits for the lightning line.

[MéLAnoR]

let the Rkers be the single or whatever aoe best dps of the game ; give my hunter dynamic combat on move and more utility.

[Scatha the Worm]

Trust me, it really is that rare, at rank 5 in the Moors now and I've yet to score a hit over 2.5k and that's with always running maximum traits for the lightning line.

Well, remember moors are bad for keeping attunement and the flow of combat, and creeps have sme serious -incoming crit modifiers.

In PvE, I've seen some impresive chain of crits happen out of RKs.

[nightbyday]

Don't worry just give it time creeps will start to whine after a while ;p

[Telaron70]

You know I don't see this as a Hunter v RK thing or a Hunter v any other class come to that. We're all batting for the same team right? All I do think is that we are supposed to be a top rank dps class and we bring very little else to the party (in a group I prefer to leave the cc to the professionals) therefore our ability to kill should be exceptional.

Right now it isn't.

I know that because I know my Hunter inside out. Of course ME knowing that isn't going to change things one little bit. Turbine have decided upon a course and they will not easily change their minds, they got a lot of other screw ups to deal with. Unless we either present a good case to show they nerfed too hard or vote with our wallets, we are gonna be stuck with this. The guys that are collecting data should be applauded & encouraged because the numbers don't lie. They may not be 100% accurate because the testing conditions are necessarily flawed, but they can still point us (or Turbine) in the right direction.

Me, I suck at maths, but I'm convinced we are now less effective than we should be. My feeling is that we are somewhere in the pack, not awful, not good, just meh! Soloing, yeah we can get by. Our contribution to the group is lessened.

On more than one occasion I've been in a situation where we were maybe 7 -10k from killing the last boss, but we're in trouble. Maybe a couple of men down or mini has no power.. whatever. You know the score - when the shout goes up "Go Tel, burn him down" and you unload everything you have & you make the kill. THAT is the whole reason we are there.

Right now I think I'd let them down.

The rest of the e-peen who does the biggest crits stuff I couldn't care less about

[Amoramay Swiftarrow]

i dont think the RK one shotted the creep with that hit :) That hit came after the creep had died so the RK had already killed the creep before hand with other skills. I think we can't compare our damage as hunters to that of a RK, it takes them a long time on there attunements and with the right traits etc to be able to build up to do damage like that.
For straight out DPS without having to work on it i think we are still as good as we were before you've just got to think a little differently.
I've played around with my build a bit after book 7, changed some virtues and some class traits and i'm as good as i ever was in some ways. Plus i have a new found use for all the fire oils i had laying around, the extra DoT on a crit kinda helps where as before book 7 the mob was dead before it had a chance to bleed! :)

I won't lie, i'm not overly thrilled with the nerf, but come on .. you telling me you didn't see it coming?? Rather now than later if you ask me.

[Panthress]

hi there after the patch i tried a bit my hunter and the nerf was abvious i was realy disapointed..yes hunters were OP before book 7 but now? they are just doing a bit higher dps than a Rune keeper or a champion lol...
yesterday a friend of mine ( a rune keeper) 1 shoted a high ranked warg with EC for 4.354 points of lighting damage and a hunter cant do that with BH and HS?:o that's sad.

well i see one thing Turbine has a problem with balancing the classes. in every patch at least 1 class is OP.

check these.
http://img9.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=screenshot00199.jpg

First I have lvl 60 hunter Anck on Gilrain and the nerf is visible, but nothing that disasterous as you write. Killing is still piece of cake, Los is still duable with closed eyes.
Now to your Rk comment. Can you explain me ,how your friend can 1shot HIGH ranked warg with 4.354 pts of damage when post bk7 my poor newbie rank4 warg has 4.7k and that's with equiped all -%hp~-%pwr , +% dmg traits?

Also as posed before, hunters are still capable of 10+k HS so are Rks now.

I do really hate how ppl are lately misinforming others about hunters, I do like mine, it's now weaker, but honestly i was GOD in the moors before :/, now I am not, it's not the damage what beats be, it's that creeps can reinforcement so fast with rez and maping/close spawning.

[metalex101]

i dont think the RK one shotted the creep with that hit :) That hit came after the creep had died so the RK had already killed the creep before hand with other skills.


hmm dear Amoramay please check the Photo again and look the Renown/dp he gets and the chat a bit carefully and the tells ofc if u arent convinced

[metalex101]

First I have lvl 60 hunter Anck on Gilrain and the nerf is visible, but nothing that disasterous as you write. Killing is still piece of cake, Los is still duable with closed eyes.
Now to your Rk comment. Can you explain me ,how your friend can 1shot HIGH ranked warg with 4.354 pts of damage when post bk7 my poor newbie rank4 warg has 4.7k and that's with equiped all -%hp~-%pwr , +% dmg traits?

the warg had 4.030 morale or soemthing as far i remember he might be traited with health reductiona dn dmg adjustment or power ;) its abviouse and as i said to the other guy before check the DP /renown the RK gets and the chat a bit more carefully

[Amoramay Swiftarrow]

i'm not doubting the fact that he killed him .. i'm not blind. the point is you are saying he one shot the creep with that hit .. but according to the combat log he didnt ...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/Xx_SeXy_EyEs_Xx/screenshot00199.jpg

you can clearly see the hit comes AFTER the creep died .. and he was probably fighting him before that aswell as you can see above the death.

Not that any of this matters, the point is lots of people are moaning saying RKs are doing this kind of damage and hunters aren't anymore. It's just jealousy, we are still good at everything we were before just slightly weaker .. the hunter isn't so 'easy' to play anymore whooptydoo.

[metalex101]

i'm not doubting the fact that he killed him .. i'm not blind. the point is you are saying he one shot the creep with that hit .. but according to the combat log he didnt ...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/Xx_SeXy_EyEs_Xx/screenshot00199.jpg

you can clearly see the hit comes AFTER the creep died .. and he was probably fighting him before that aswell as you can see above the death.

Not that any of this matters, the point is lots of people are moaning saying RKs are doing this kind of damage and hunters aren't anymore. It's just jealousy, we are still good at everything we were before just slightly weaker .. the hunter isn't so 'easy' to play anymore whooptydoo.

still...check the DPS!..its 4.354 dmg! and after that he does again a 1k dmg !?!?!and as i told u the warg had 4.030 morale or something. and thats a 1shot kill. also check the other photo he did 6k dmg...whant more?

[Amoramay Swiftarrow]

I aint denying the fact he did lots of damage, i can see it!! But what is your problem, honestly. I see some green eyed monster's in people because you aint seeing them numbers floating above your mobs any more. Get over it, it aint gonna change. May aswell learn to get used to it and stop hating on all the RKs DPS.

[Duvaineth]

Rawr! Following on the combat log a 1700+ Dev strike on that RK scum sending him back to GV so he ould post pretty screenshots!

Hadrod served justice once more! Rawr

:P

[Emli]

still...check the DPS!..its 4.354 dmg! and after that he does again a 1k dmg !?!?!and as i told u the warg had 4.030 morale or something. and thats a 1shot kill. also check the other photo he did 6k dmg...whant more?

Hunters in burn hot can put out above 4.3 k damage aswell. And it can't have been a one shot, because to build up that epic conclusion crit you have to crit SS then crit CA within 20 seconds from critting SS and then you have around a 10% chance to finally crit for that epic conclusion. Now that's 3 crits in 20 seconds which means a lot of lightning spam which will probably have gotten the warg below half morale and mean that the 4.3 k damage was complete overkill and half of it went to waste.

[Amoramay Swiftarrow]

Now that's 3 crits in 20 seconds which means a lot of lightning spam which will probably have gotten the warg below half morale and mean that the 4.3 k damage was complete overkill and half of it went to waste.

If you look at the screenie the 4.3k hit came AFTER the creep had already been killed, so the entire thing went to waste. So no, as you say it can't have been a one shot kill, which is what i was trying to say earlier. Some people just need to get off their high horses when they see someone other than themselves being able to do good damage.

[Fidel1001]

erm both hunters and RKs are supposed to be nukers so i don't think it is unatural that a nuker hit for 4k^^. Plus remember that some hunters used to hit for around 10k on PvE with devastating hits (BH+HS) and 6-7k on PvP (BH+HS again). So ~4k PvP and ~6k PvE for a nuker is not worrying, hunters hit for that now too.Anyway don't worry, hunters will always be the main single dps/nuke class, we're much cooler :p .We will just have some healthy and interesting competition with those mages :D My only worry about RKs in the ettenmoors is that they can do this kind of damage while moving (as far as I know lighting damage skills are castable while moving).Not sure though so if someone could confirm it ,it would be most welcome :)

PS. Slightly off-topic but hunters will always be more versatile than Runkeepers.A rune-keeper can either heal or nuke. A hunter can play CC, off-tank ranged (and recently main tank the watcher, try that with a runekeeper),nuke,travel a fellow etc etc

[Kheld]

I sparred with a RK friend of mine yesterday 3 times & it wasnt even close.

The damage they can output is incredible.

[Emli]

I sparred with a RK friend of mine yesterday 3 times & it wasnt even close.

The damage they can output is incredible.

*sigh* The WORST ever method to measure DPS is sparring, yes, it's even worse than basing your assumptions on big flashy crits.

By your logic the best damage output classes would be a LM and a burg just because they are the best classes in sparring. A LM can probably beat any class in the game while staying full morale in the end just because of their flank heals and CC abilities. That doesn't mean they have uber DPS though.

The reason you lost to a RK is because they are mobile and you are not, you are rooted in place with your inductions, which can also be set back with the opponent pounding on you or interrupted by just running through you and breaking line of sight. But as classes are balanced around group play, not sparring, it doesn't count for anything in a real PVE situation.

[Erhnam]

My only worry about RKs in the ettenmoors is that they can do this kind of damage while moving (as far as I know lighting damage skills are castable while moving).Not sure though so if someone could confirm it ,it would be most welcome :)
All of them (lightning skills) are 20m range, castable on the move, no inductions, except for Epic Conclusion, which has no induction but requires you to be stationary

[Panthress]

I sparred with a RK friend of mine yesterday 3 times & it wasnt even close.

The damage they can output is incredible.


Have you ever tried to spare good minie? Hell, they must be super OP also then:D. Anyway, RK in PVmP are not that difficult, light armor, low hp, no big heals during combat makes them quite vulnerable, mainly when you can get them to 1/2 hp after the pounce:D

[Erhnam]

Have you ever tried to spare good minie? Hell, they must be super OP also then:D. Anyway, RK in PVmP are not that difficult, light armor, low hp, no big heals during combat makes them quite vulnerable, mainly when you can get them to 1/2 hp after the pounce:D

Tell me that you are in Evernight... I would like to show you how wrong you are ^^ :D

[arofar]

i dont think the RK one shotted the creep with that hit :) That hit came after the creep had died so the RK had already killed the creep before hand with other skills.


actually not really doesnt take em long to build up to use epic conclusion, i was left with 4k morale once and he gave me a 4.3k one so was quite fun too see how easy they got it really :p.

[Walhalla]

actually not really doesnt take em long to build up to use epic conclusion, i was left with 4k morale once and he gave me a 4.3k one so was quite fun too see how easy they got it really :p.

The buildup to epic conclusion in essence takes about 7-9 seconds. But the difficulty isn't the fact of building up to EC, it is to get the 3 buffs for him to unleash his hit. No buff -> 750 dmg hit. the +dmg from using lightning skills -> +-900 dmg. 2 buffs -> 1400 dmg. 3 buffs 1900 dmg. This is the base dmg, so not critted. My max has been 5.140 dmg in pve. Haven't gotten higher just yet. And in about 30 applications of EC i gotten that 1 crit, and 1 crit for 2.7k due to only having had 2 buffs while using it.

[Erhnam]

The buildup to epic conclusion in essence takes about 7-9 seconds. But the difficulty isn't the fact of building up to EC, it is to get the 3 buffs for him to unleash his hit. No buff -> 750 dmg hit. the +dmg from using lightning skills -> +-900 dmg. 2 buffs -> 1400 dmg. 3 buffs 1900 dmg. This is the base dmg, so not critted. My max has been 5.140 dmg in pve. Haven't gotten higher just yet. And in about 30 applications of EC i gotten that 1 crit, and 1 crit for 2.7k due to only having had 2 buffs while using it.
Actually, with zero lag, it takes 13.5 seconds to go from neutral to 9R (1.5 global CD * 9). And again, you must be lucky enough to at least get harsh debate and charged runes buff up (I dont waste EC with thunderous words buff, unless the mob/creep is under 2k. 15% from HD > TW)