How high is your crit?

[theoneman/ahshag]

post your highest crits here-mine is
You wound the Deep-worm with Heart Seeker for 7,221 points of Ancient Dwarf-make damage.
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[nightbyday]

Shhhh!

they will nerf hunter some more ;p

[Viceciceror]

this thead has no use whatsoever , GM's should remove this.

[MéLAnoR]

zomg hunter HS hits 40000 to a bugged bug ( grodybgs) and captain bugg plus burglar debuff.
zomg nerf hunter !

[Viceciceror]

zomg hunter HS hits 40000 to a bugged bug ( grodybgs) and captain bugg plus burglar debuff.
zomg nerf hunter !

pff.. my defiler hits twice as high!

[OMWiener]

bah electrical bill critted me for 1000000 hits of fail.

[Viceciceror]

bah electrical bill critted me for 1000000 hits of fail.

ouch that hurts.. but your still alive.. that shows you really are OP!

[OMWiener]

i had immunity buff RL

[Gilrob]

this thead has no use whatsoever , GM's should remove this.

hey! another more useless thread: The Gandalf-wannabe thread --> http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4967157#post4967157

GM's plz remove.

(on-topic)

Why do hunters start: LOOK AT OUR HIGH CRITS!!! PLZ DEVS NERF US!!! threads?

[Viceciceror]

hey! another more useless thread: The Gandalf-wannabe thread --> http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4967157#post4967157

GM's plz remove.

(on-topic)

Why do hunters start: LOOK AT OUR HIGH CRITS!!! PLZ DEVS NERF US!!! threads?

actually if you are able to read the title of that thread right it doesnt say that :) it just a normal thread asking if they are gonna use white dye or not , and not 1 of those OMG LOOK HOW HIGH I CAN HIT! threads that every 1 likes so much

[Overlord2]

hey! another more useless thread: The Gandalf-wannabe thread --> http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4967157#post4967157

GM's plz remove.

(on-topic)

Why do hunters start: LOOK AT OUR HIGH CRITS!!! PLZ DEVS NERF US!!! threads?

Hey, if us LRM want to look like gandalf wannabe's let us be :D

[Gilrob]

actually if you are able to read the title of that thread right it doesnt say that :) it just a normal thread asking if they are gonna use white dye or not , and not 1 of those OMG LOOK HOW HIGH I CAN HIT! threads that every 1 likes so much

If you are able to read and understand what i'm writing you'll see that i'm not saying that that's the title of the thread, and that i'm asking why hunters are starting threads like this one.

I guess they just love the nerfs.

[Viceciceror]

If you are able to read and understand what i'm writing you'll see that i'm not saying that that's the title of the thread, and that i'm asking why hunters are starting threads like this one.


i can read just fine ty

[LAW666]

doesnt really matter how much u crit...friend of mine lvl 60 hunter was bragging he hit 3600 with HS on a lvl 53...i did slightly more on a lvl 60 enemy so yes u may hit 7k but what were u hitting? i hope it was devs nerf bat lol and as for LM's looking like Gandalf good on ya! how many peeps want there chars to look like Legolas or Gimli or Strider? personally id like my char to look like smeagol lol hahaha that would be creepy!!

[Davout]

Why do the Trolls come out to spoil a perfectly good thread. Is it that you feel there is something to hide?

Just post your crits and leave the thread as is!

To me people who try to hide something scream for NERF ME more than someone who is open.

Also other classes will be envious more so, and more distrusting if you are cagey about something.

We all know that big crits happen. We all know that many circumstances need to be in place for them to happen, but please let the post stand. Its only a bit of fun.

[OMWiener]

We all know that big crits happen. We all know that many circumstances need to be in place for them to happen, but please let the post stand. Its only a bit of fun.

Previous threads and creep reports beg to differ on that one. Hunters were op because swift bow hit for 3K+ etc. They obviously didn't realise how rare those numbers are.

A lot of people came in here saying: You think it's normal a hunter can hit for 3K every 3sec.

I'm sorry but you have to much trust in others knowledge about other classes/opponents :P

[Davout]

Openness will bring the truth.

Trying to hide it will only reinforce misconceptions.

If we can hit for 7k then lets not deny it. Lets post it. Let all other classes do the same. Hell I have crit for over 2k on my Captain, and in theory I can do that far more often then a hunter can crit for 7k. I also have over 7500 morale using just my own buffs. I was in the watcher the other day and had 7300 morale. But thats my class signature, as a hunters is damage dealing.

[OMWiener]

then i guess we differ in opinion on that matter. I personally think that it isn't black and white like:

openness will bring truth and hiding will bring misconception.

I don't mean to sound condescending, but that sounds more like an ideology then reality. Even some devs have stopped posting on the US forums because of the constant battering they get from players (ZC for example). As such,openness is not always positive nor will it carry the truth to other people (it may well be the truth, doesn't mean people accept it), especially on forums. As such, i personally would avoid threads like these, because they only foster misconceptions.

[Davout]

The devs will only stop visiting forums for 2 reasons.

1) They get abused.
2) They see no point in doing so.

If they get abused then you cant blame them.

The main reason why they would see no point in doing so is often that people try to distort the truth and as a result the feedback is worthless.

Too much political machinations often have a negative effect on procedings.

[OMWiener]

try to distort the truth and as a result the feedback is worthless.


Exactly, as such openness will not always lead to truth. It is my opinion (and i do realise i may well stand alone here) that some people will always try to distort the truth, especially on the internet, on which people feel more of a liberty to voice their opinions without any valid reference and furthermore feel less inclined to open up to other opinions.

In fact none of us hold the "truth" about this game, especially on matters like this, because in the end we only have our own experience as reference, which is quite insignificant on a server-wide level. Even the experiences of the forum users combined are quite insignificant. Only Turbine could gather such data and interpret in the light of their own vision of the game.

I do realise there are more reasons for a dev to quit posting (you forgot: he doesn't have time to post :P ), but in this case ZC explained explicetly why he would post less: because people wouldn't exept his version of the "truth".

[Davout]

Exactly, as such openness will not always lead to truth. It is my opinion (and i do realise i may well stand alone here) that some people will always try to distort the truth, especially on the internet, on which people feel more of a liberty to voice their opinions without any valid reference and furthermore feel less inclined to open up to other opinions.
Openness will bring the truth as long as an open and honest debate takes place. Its only when discussions are cut short that the partial truth comes out. Unfortunately people are using every tactic possible to sidetrack this thread away from what it was meant to be. Whether by design or by accident both you and I have taken this thread away from its intended topic and thus destroyed the thread and destroyed the truth.

In fact none of us hold the "truth" about this game, especially on matters like this, because in the end we only have our own experience as reference, which is quite insignificant on a server-wide level. Even the experiences of the forum users combined are quite insignificant. Only Turbine could gather such data and interpret in the light of their own vision of the game.
Agreed but this is a forum for conversation and free discussion as people see fit, including the trolls. All I ask is that people discuss the topic and post there views on it, not try to wreck the topic in discussion.

I do realise there are more reasons for a dev to quit posting (you forgot: he doesn't have time to post :P ), but in this case ZC explained explicetly why he would post less: because people wouldn't except his version of the "truth".
Is that your interpretation of his reasons or the reasons given?

Also no matter what you may think of a game development, it is more akin to a piece of art, which can metamorphose, by the nature that you can interact with it. You will never satisfy all people all the time. If you like the art then you pay to watch it. If not you can ask for changes, if they happen then good, if they don’t then you still have the choice. It’s a Devs option to listen to what people want. They will stand or fall though by the decisions they make. You will however always get a minority that will try to impose their views over the majority. By debate you can come to a consensus of opinion. Failure to have such by sabotaging that debate because someone doesn’t like what may happen is more akin to minorities trying to impose their views on the majority.

If you have a close look at this thread you will see that only the first post is as was intended. The rest are people that have tried to keep the debate quiet by hijacking it.

[OMWiener]

If you have a close look at this thread you will see that only the first post is as was intended. The rest are people that have tried to keep the debate quiet by hijacking it.

Because at least i believed, and still believe, no honest debate could have come from such a thread. People have a tendency to cut short discussions on internet for the reasons i gave in my previous post. I would consider it quite naive to think otherwise.

Following those beliefs (and i can't speak for the others) I could have debated the usefullness of this thread as i am doing now with you. But i chose to show my personal opinion about this thread in a, what i thought to be, humerous post. And as you stated, i'm quite free to do so.

Is that your interpretation of his reasons or the reasons given?

If you really wish to go into this. I could never, nor could anyone, state the reasons given. Every perception we make is an "interpretation" and is tainted by our knowledge/beliefs/values/etc...

Also no matter what you may think of a game development, it is more akin to a piece of art, which can metamorphose, by the nature that you can interact with it. You will never satisfy all people all the time. If you like the art then you pay to watch it. If not you can ask for changes, if they happen then good, if they don’t then you still have the choice. It’s a Devs option to listen to what people want. They will stand or fall though by the decisions they make. You will however always get a minority that will try to impose their views over the majority. By debate you can come to a consensus of opinion. Failure to have such by sabotaging that debate because someone doesn’t like what may happen is more akin to minorities trying to impose their views on the majority.

I do agree partially. But in light of this little view on game development: a conscencus of opinions has no more value then a disconscencus, a debate no more then a monolog (or however it is written). Even if someone would be imposing their views upon others, it has not much value anyway in light of the above quote. The developpers in the end have indeed the option to listen to what people write/want.

And I have in no way sabotaged any debate. As i said, i gave my opinion in a humerous post. You have the option to ignore it and continue your debate just fine. But you chose not to because you felt inclined to impose your views on the majority? I would believe not. I can only hope you would not jump to conclusions and think the same of me. In fact, imposing anything on a medium as free as a forum is quite impossible for normal members like us. What value you give to posts, is really up to you.

I do agree that it would be better to have posted this in a seperate thread and discuss things there. And i will stop here to leave room for those who do wish to add to the original point of the thread and ignore our opinions.

[Davout]

I only hope that after 3 pages we may actually get to see a second post on topic. I wont hold my breath as I suspect that the forum trolls have killed it, exactly as they wanted.

Inadvertently I suspect I have contributed to that cause.

[Anda%]

actually there is no trolling here... people tend to judge our class based on the information they read, not on what they experience.

having someone killed by a 12k devastating HS is cool, but this is the exception, not the standard. others come here, see the numbers and go on rampage, saying hunters are overpowered.

asking for removal of the thread is justified - partially this kind of threads is the reason of what we'll see in B7

[Davout]

And the politics never stop.

So what if people see a 12k crit?

If its acceptable then there is no problem with it.

Otherwise why try to hide it?

[Viceciceror]

actually there is no trolling here... people tend to judge our class based on the information they read, not on what they experience.

having someone killed by a 12k devastating HS is cool, but this is the exception, not the standard. others come here, see the numbers and go on rampage, saying hunters are overpowered.

asking for removal of the thread is justified - partially this kind of threads is the reason of what we'll see in B7

./agree wise words ;)

[OMWiener]

And the politics never stop.

So what if people see a 12k crit?

If its acceptable then there is no problem with it.

Otherwise why try to hide it?

Because people interpret the crit in a wrong way (they forget about the conditions it was in, etc..). And as i said: There's no way to prevent that misinterpretation so why feed it?

It's quite hypocritical to call us forum trolls and our post politics when you yourself have not contributed meaningfully to the original intention of the thread. You could have ignored our posts/opinions. Instead you chose to give value to our posts and respond to us, making them all but troll posts.

As i said, i do agree with one thing though, that devs have the *option* to listen to players and i'm sure they are all reasonable people who would not change anything over a rare crit. but on a personal level, i don't like the misconceptions it creates amongst other players about my class. As such i don't like threads as these and i'm entitled to voice my opinions about them. So instead of trying to devalue our posts by calling it politics/troll posts (in vein), the best thing you could have done to counter our posts was to continue the thread as it was meant to continue by posting your highest crit.

[Davout]

Look guys you have it your own way.

1 post on topic 20 posts trying to destroy the thread, 6 wasted post trying to keep it open.

The end result here is that people will think you are trying to hide things and that will breed misconception. In the end there is no winner.

As for misconceptions I truly believe that they come about because people try to hide the facts. Most people on these forums have more nouse than some of you seem to give them credit for. Give them the facts I say and let them decide what to think not what you let them think.

Censorship rules!

The game is broken,

long live the game!

[OMWiener]

And you're entitled to your opinion as are we (as i believe the opposite). And yes those 6 posts were wasted. How could you try and keep a thread open with 6 posts that were themselves off-topic? One post with your highest crit would have been enough ;)

And spouting some generalized one-liners won't help either. I do believe in limited censorship at times, but the fact that you believe we posses this power on an open internet forum is quite laughable at best.

[Davout]

As my hunter is only L52 it wouldnt rank, and I rarely post pics. But I am curios what I could crit for. As i am curious what others can crit for.

Just like that other 'wasted' thread about captain morale. But still I am interested. Unfortunately some people break ruin that interest for me (and I assume the OP) by sending out the silencing brigade.

[Beleg Of Doriath]

Think my devastating is around 3800 without buffs/burn hot or HS legacy/crit multiplier. If you add 10% HS that would make it 4180, add the 16% crit multiplier that would be 4788, plus 100% burn hot would be 9576. I think?

[Scatha the Worm]

Even while I respect the fact that it may be "fun" to display high numbers as the kind of achievment it should be, in the current state of affairs it is just a call for general misinformation. And even when I respect it, I do not have to like it. But the thread is already hijacked into some sort of dialectic discussion of sorts.

This kind of supercriticals ubber damage threads are the ones that fed the flames. There were of course the PvP flame threads showing combat logs of creepsies getting hit with blatant crits, but for hunters themselves to further strengthen the negative criticism, is rather sad. Although I'm quite sure that devs didn't flip over the fact that there was a thread stating "ZOMG 12k crit", a lot of people did/does, and it also would be of a simpleton to believe that decisions on game design aren't influenced by wide community opinions bred partially in such threads as this one.

The fact that it took a succesfull devastating critical chance roll on a 5 minute cd skill, top end-gear, a full trait-set of questionable standard playing efficiency, a legendary trait, a variety of highly leveled legacies, some high tier relics, consumables, a pocket-captain, and a pocket-burglar to pull off that 12k heartseeker, will never be said on the now usual sentence of "Huntards can pull 12k shots, they deserved it" that threads like this have generated.

So, it is my wish this thread may die as what it was, a random flame generator, directly and indirectly, while new similar threads start spawning over the RK forums about Epic Conclusion crits.

[MéLAnoR]

yes pls can we move this thread under Rk section now ? :)

[Davout]

While people may not like this thread it does serve a purpose. It can be interesting to some parties.

A forum is there for free speach and this thread contravenes no rules. I would be grateful if it could stay.

This thread is in no way a flame generator. In fact there has been no generation of any flame so far based on topic. The nearest it has come to it has been on people trying to get it removed. If people would leave the thread alone and let it stand there would be very little off topic discussion.

[Anda%]

yes pls can we move this thread under Rk section now ? :)

Actually i'm quite concerned about the threads with similar topics in the RK section, let it happen on CM or Turbine boards. As for now, only Turbine is valid of course, but still. :)
ZC has already hinted there would be nerfs to RK dps in Book8 ;)
He still did that in a very acceptable way, some RKs may even cry out for nerf after that :D

will be interesting to compare RK dps to Hunter - in our little world, i mean; not really interested in those data till i don't see them on my screen in-game :)

Cm maybe should pull of some kind of partisan-action, applying the B7 changes for RKs, Guards and the like, while keeping Hunters and Captains as they are :D

[Sidamos]

His comment was that he sees the RK where he should be.

He wrote that he has no problem to nerf the damage if it doesn't fit in the whole
gameplay. He didn't write that he gonna nerf anything in B8. He also didn't decline it.

However I guess he just looks how the changes work in the next weeks and react
accordingly.

[Scatha the Worm]

Actually i'm quite concerned about the threads with similar topics in the RK section, let it happen on CM or Turbine boards. As for now, only Turbine is valid of course, but still. :)
ZC has already hinted there would be nerfs to RK dps in Book8 ;)
He still did that in a very acceptable way, some RKs may even cry out for nerf after that :D
ZC didn't hint nerfs in book 8, just the possibility, as in a safe disclaimer. Regarding this kind of threads... It's always going to happen, seems somehow tied to the human condition. And it doesn't matter if someone explains you have astronomical odds + need of extra buffs and assistants to pull that off, only the big fancy number is ever remembered, and a blatant call for NERF from everyone else is subsequently followed... Welcome to the perishing hunter experience.
will be interesting to compare RK dps to Hunter - in our little world, i mean; not really interested in those data till i don't see them on my screen in-game :)
I dread to run the test to compare, but I will (scheduled for thursday after update). And I suspect I will begin considering to leave the game soon afterwards. I've put too much effort into building my main, and waiting 3 months just for a minor chance of a minor buff on the next book, when they didn't even care enough to fix the now very old swift-bow animation bug, or the new bugs on Resolute Aim and consumables dropping randomly (hotfix for hunters? hope so, but the fact these make it to live...) I don't think I'm that patient. And PvP in this game is awfully designed, not enough of a sole reason to remain.

[Erhnam]

And I suspect I will begin considering to leave the game soon afterwards I will take an airplane just to smack you hard in your head if you do that ;)

[Anda%]

ZC didn't hint nerfs in book 8, just the possibility, as in a safe disclaimer. Regarding this kind of threads... It's always going to happen, seems somehow tied to the human condition. And it doesn't matter if someone explains you have astronomical odds + need of extra buffs and assistants to pull that off, only the big fancy number is ever remembered, and a blatant call for NERF from everyone else is subsequently followed... Welcome to the perishing hunter experience.


Actually he did, although he didn't use the word 'nerf': :)

http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3463587&postcount=9

Edit: Now, after re-reading his post, i realize there was a word 'If', so i was wrong.
Still, i believe RKs will share the Hunters' fate, and they won't be allowed to be happy for too long (at least not DPS-wise). Someone will have ZC to make 'adjustments'... :-/

[Viceciceror]

Actually he did, although he didn't use the word 'nerf': :)

http://forums.lotro.com/showpost.php?p=3463587&postcount=9

Edit: Now, after re-reading his post, i realize there was a word 'If', so i was wrong.
Still, i believe RKs will share the Hunters' fate, and they won't be allowed to be happy for too long (at least not DPS-wise). Someone will have ZC to make 'adjustments'... :-/

imagine the hysteria if he did used the word 'nerf'

[MéLAnoR]

imagine the hysteria if he did used the word 'nerf'
they can take our bows but cant take the priviledge of being the master nerfling class !
period !

[Anda%]

they can take our bows but cant take the priviledge of being the master nerfling class !
period !

hehe, i'll bow to myself, then :p and even keep the master nerfling title :D

[Viceciceror]

they can take our bows but cant take the priviledge of being the master nerfling class !
period !

weavers already have that title.. but i guess if its on freep side you got it :D

[OMWiener]

weavers already have that title.. but i guess if its on freep side you got it :D

Wrong, the spider never was really good to begin with (from launch).

The hunter on the other was really nerfed countless of times. Some changes were justified, most not :P

[Muzzard!]

You wound vicey with Blinding dust for 11,023 of Fire Damage.

Please don't nerf me! :P