Should Cry of the Predator fear mounts?

[Conn]

Everytime I fight a Warg-Rider, I ask myself whether or not my Cry of the Predator skill should work on him? Well not him, his mount I mean. You could argue that a skilled Warg-Rider would be able to control his mount in battle and that is the reason the skill does not work. However, I would then argue... Howcome a cry that seems to scare the living hell out of 2 tons of charging Mammoth no longer seems to phase a comparatively tiny Warg just because there's an even smaller Goblin sat on his back?

So, just out of curiosity... Should Cry of the Predator fear beast type mounts?

EDIT: This is just a bit of fun. I'm not demanding more power for Hunters so let's not turn this into another argument.

[MéLAnoR]

Imo its working as intended and no need to apply on mounts since they have no control over their masters and thus are seen as foes rather than beasts.
voted no..

[Hanto Sunslayer]

I rember watching a film on police horse training at school and they were letting fire works off at the feet of the horse and doing other things that would make most horses stampede. its reasonable to assume that the wargs used would have some training.
in the book the horses the 9 used went through this type of thing to allow them to be ridden by the evil things.

[Scatha the Worm]

Hmmm, don't think so. If anything these rider's kiting strategies are meaningless for hunters, and fear itself isn't based on common sense, but on game mechanics:
If something causes great fear on you, would you run away slowly (instead of just rly fast) and return if you get hit by it?

[tmp]

Howcome a cry that seems to scare the living hell out of 2 tons of charging Mammoth no longer seems to phase a comparatively tiny Warg just because there's an even smaller Goblin sat on his back?
Fear breaks on damage, so for the sake of immersion you can probably pretend the goblin jabs the warg with his spear to bring it back to its senses... (or has a version of "snap out of it!" skill)

[BinabikErebor]

I voted no.. I never quite understood why they backed off the way they do (a kiting strategy is it?) :-) at this moment, they seem like an easy kill every time. No need making them even weaker - that Goblin is beating that warg with a stick, it's anger is far greater than it's fear.

Binabik

[tmp]

I never quite understood why they backed off the way they do (a kiting strategy is it?) :-) at this moment, they seem like an easy kill every time.
Yes, they are putting a snare on their target and moving themselves into range... they're kiting, it just doesn't happen to work on ranged enemy like a hunter

[weelance]

What about cry of the predator causing the goblin/rider to fall of his mount and the beast still being feared for the set amount of time. Allows you to CC one mob and whack the other.
Admittedly they are fairly easy to kill anyway at same level, but for hunters just starting in moria this could be a nice advantage.

[tmp]

Admittedly they are fairly easy to kill anyway at same level, but for hunters just starting in moria this could be a nice advantage.
They are easy to kill already as you say. And the hunters *already* have advantge vs these mobs, compared to melee...

[Gwydric]

Howcome a cry that seems to scare the living hell out of 2 tons of charging Mammoth no longer seems to phase a comparatively tiny Warg just because there's an even smaller Goblin sat on his back?

I can see where your coming from but would vote no. The main difference between the 2 ton charging mamouth and the warg is that the mamouth is a wild animal - the warg is domesticated to a degree and has been trained. The warg would have been subjected to trainng by the goblins prior to being ridden (or it would have just eaten the goblin) and would be used to being hit/beaten/scared etc where as the mamouth would never have encountered that before.

(putting it more in a lore setting for you instead of a game mechanic)

[ReijMan]

I miss one option:
- Make it work on against player mounts!

[Overlord2]

I rember watching a film on police horse training at school and they were letting fire works off at the feet of the horse and doing other things that would make most horses stampede. its reasonable to assume that the wargs used would have some training.
in the book the horses the 9 used went through this type of thing to allow them to be ridden by the evil things.

Well, the wargs don't get trained. They just spawn out of nowhere :o.

More serious, I think it should fear the mount, but with a lower succes rate. :-)

[Eorthor]

I voted no, Cry of the 'Predator' no howl/cry would strike fear into a warg which as been domesticated by a goblin, it'd be subjected to abuse and 'torture' so that it doesn't panic/run away in the midst of battle.

But there's no need for it to be honest, the thing runs away as it is, so in essence it's the same thing.

[aethelhelm]

I can see where your coming from but would vote no. The main difference between the 2 ton charging mamouth and the warg is that the mamouth is a wild animal - the warg is domesticated to a degree and has been trained. The warg would have been subjected to trainng by the goblins prior to being ridden (or it would have just eaten the goblin) and would be used to being hit/beaten/scared etc where as the mamouth would never have encountered that before.

(putting it more in a lore setting for you instead of a game mechanic)

not entirely true as you can use the shout on torhammas and the other mammoth with a rider in forochel and both run away very easily regardless of their rider's intentions

[Noerenn]

not entirely true as you can use the shout on torhammas and the other mammoth with a rider in forochel and both run away very easily regardless of their rider's intentions
They are so scared that the rider lost control.:p

[Kironiel]

Remember that Wargs are not "trained wild beasts" - wargs are intelligent, evil creatures that ALLOW goblins to ride on their backs going into battle. And predators cry do not work on intelligent beeings no why should it work on wargs?

[Conn]

Remember that Wargs are not "trained wild beasts" - wargs are intelligent, evil creatures that ALLOW goblins to ride on their backs going into battle. And predators cry do not work on intelligent beeings no why should it work on wargs?

What? It works on every other Warg in Middle Earth.

[Kironiel]

What? It works on every other Warg in Middle Earth.

Indeed, when it should not, because they are not supposed ot be your average animals.

[Noerenn]

Indeed, when it should not, because they are not supposed ot be your average animals.
Well npc's or creeps can fear us too, and most of us are intelligence like myself. (for real:p...ok bad joke)