Grid 1.2 same same

[DieHard]

Well to continue from my post from 1.1 " Now Grid doesn t start ". Since 1.2 - "Now Grid doesn t start" , for that matter neither does Dirt. Both games run under Vista 32 flawlessly, but Vista 64 neither do. Hmmmmm guess it is my pc huh.

Only problem is that it is the same PC just dual booting 32 and 64 bit Vista. I am fairly good at making PC's since I had a business doing it and still do make custom ones so PLEASE do not talk to me like I am a no knowledge 6 yr old. Grid and Dirt don t run on 64 bit Vista, okay can anyone tell me what apps or drivers interfere and cause it not to run? Some people get it to run, in fact I did for about 6 days then it stopped. ( Grid ) Dirt never ran on the 64 bit side.

Again things that I have tried:
Shutdown Set Point
Shutdown Malware Apps
Stopped all non-essential services
Disabled SLI
Latest Nvidia Drivers
Tried -novirtual at startup
Tried -safemode at startup
Defragged drives, Steam files
Tried all the compatibility modes

Two fresh installs of Grid

PC QX6700 2.66Mhz Quad Core
Asus P5N-T Deluxe Bios 1001
8800 GTX (2) 765 Mb memory
4 Gb Ram Dominator PC8500
300 gb Nvidia Stripe on SATA drives
22" Wide Screen HP w2207 Monitor


Now for the good news I don t have to do any of this on 32 bit Vista to have Grid and Dirt run.

No disrespect to JigglyBean but telling me that sometimes Vista updates mess up my machine is not tech support. Asking for my DxDiag report will tell you the PC hardware and driver versions and thats about it. I supplied them with a complete process tree from the Grid executable from the application - Process Monitor, by systernals ( Microsoft ) from the time Grid started until the time I had to Ctrl Alt Del out. I heard nothing since, cept there is a new patch coming out 1.2 --

Okay I have, or should say that Steam has updated Grid to 1.2. and Now Grid doesn t Start -- Same Same --

DxDiag
http://haulinmods.com/mods/DxDiag.txt

Systernals Process Monitor File ( 45 Mb file )
http://haulinmods.com/mods/Logfile.PML

[electronichead]

i wonder, have you also tested it with older video drivers? Or newer ones?

[WhiteSnake]

Make sure All drivers are upto date, also make sure you got the latest DirectX version http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=2DA43D38-DB71-4C1B-BC6A-9B6652CD92A3&displaylang=en and OpenAL version http://connect.creativelabs.com/developer/Wiki/OpenAL%20Installer%20for%20Windows.aspx

Game starts fine here on my rig (Vista 64 bit) just got a lot of other problems with it, for example i cant exit the game... have to hit Ctrl + Alt + Del to get out and close it.

[DieHard]

I have rolled back the Nvidia driver and still the same, DirectX and GL are up to date. The shutting down thing should be fixed in the latest patch, it was for me on the 32 bit side.

[WhiteSnake]

Well everything rjns perfectly fine here under Vista 64bit, beter than on Vista 32bit or XP.

Maybe you didnt install the Vista 64 bit drivers for everything but acedently installed 32 bit drivers?

The only constand problems i got are that the game crashes wen i leave "Sponsors" (Grid.exe has stopped working), Game hangs on Loading after i abort a race, Still masive FPS drop/Stutering and Graphics Glitches at night during LM 24h races.
And still no Force Feedback for my Saitek P2600 Rumblepad.

[electronichead]

first, i claim i m not an expert, and i never will. Since you know your hardware, i have 2 questions atm :

*Generic PnP Monitor << dunno what kind this is, but it is on a lower resolution than your 22". Maybe causing conflicts ?
*your sound drivers : are it really the latest drivers?

only checked your DxDiag so far


I have read several times about a tool for Nvidia cards, named Nhancer (http://www.nhancer.com/). Dunno what extra options it has, but maybe worth a try? Have you also tried to use the launcher utility created by someone on this forum? If not, here (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282633) (it worked with v1.1, dunno about 1.2). Play around (lower/disable some settings), and let us know.

I have an ATI card, and i had always random crashes in the past during races with 1.0 and 1.1 version, and i m also using the Steam version. Turned out it was related to AA. I disabled postprocessing and i could use AA again (now i use modded drivers and i don't need to disable anything anymore)

Wish you luck. Always annoying if a game doesn't work.

[electronichead]

Well everything rjns perfectly fine here under Vista 64bit, beter than on Vista 32bit or XP.

Maybe you didnt install the Vista 64 bit drivers for everything but acedently installed 32 bit drivers?

The only constand problems i got are that the game crashes wen i leave "Sponsors" (Grid.exe has stopped working), Game hangs on Loading after i abort a race, Still masive FPS drop/Stutering and Graphics Glitches at night during LM 24h races.
And still no Force Feedback for my Saitek P2600 Rumblepad.

have you tried to play the game with one or 2 rimms less? Last weeks i m reading interesting discussions about Vista, newest hardware and instability issues (especially in games). Lowering the memory makes a pc mostly more stable. And maybe that Nhancer tool could also help.

[ZipherBuG]

have you tried to play the game with one or 2 rimms less? Last weeks i m reading interesting discussions about Vista, newest hardware and instability issues (especially in games). Lowering the memory makes a pc mostly more stable. And maybe that Nhancer tool could also help.

Maybe, potentially, if some of the memory is faulty or you have something messing with the mem management, it could help, but c'mon, having to decrease ones amount of memory to PLAY a GAME - that is just insane. I vote Codemonsters hire a couple of REAL programmers and clean up their code instead :D

ZipherBuG :)

[electronichead]

Maybe, potentially, if some of the memory is faulty or you have something messing with the mem management, it could help, but c'mon, having to decrease ones amount of memory to PLAY a GAME - that is just insane. I vote Codemonsters hire a couple of REAL programmers and clean up their code instead :D

ZipherBuG :)


tstststs...so easy & cheap to blame CM. Because game X runs at 70 fps still doesn't mean Grid will do the same. And since this game is highly available as illegal download, i wonder how many of the probs are caused by bad cracks or bad images. I know where to get the no-dvd patches and blablabla, but i don't need them.
At the other hand, with all the possible hardware combos of today, and installed software, there will always be people who have trouble to get the game running. CM is not responsable for your personal pc settings. They can only try to solve your problem for your hardware setup. But you can't claim the game doesn't run for the most people.

And about the newer hardware : there are more and more proofs that the faster new high tech stuff does unbalance your pc, depending on the tasks running. Maybe tweakable, dunno. But Microsoft keeps silence in those issues.

[WhiteSnake]

If you overclock or use factory overclocked components than your system might become more unstable.

If you use cheap memory or not exactly the same modules your system also becomes more unstable.

I dont have any problems with any other game i have on this computer, everything runs perfectly fine, including Crysis, its just GRID that doesnt.

All the problems i run into i see a lots of posts about on the forum, they where there before the patches and are still here after the patches.

Those problems are:
Massive drop in FPS or Stuttering in wen racing at night.
Graphics glitches (again especaily at night)
Game crashes after exiting "Sponsors"
Game hangs on "Loading" after exiting a race
Game does not "Exit" but freezes on exit and Ctrl + Alt + Del has to be used to return to windows and taskmanager has to be used to end the game (new problem after 1.2 here)

Really extremy disapointed in the game altough it looks and plays great but the problems really kill it completly.

[DieHard]

Okay, first the generic monitor is the second 8800 that is connected to a 19 inch monitor. Disabled but configured.
The memory problem that you are talking about is game - app specific and it comes when the programmers do not use the above 2 gb memory headers -- not a concern for a 64 bit system only 32 bit.
For instance Sid Mier's Railroads 32 bit with more than 2 Gb memory crashes when the system / game trys to access memory above 2 Gb. There is a Modification which adds the header to the exe. Vista 64 doesn t have this issue due to the memory managment.

Sound drivers are the latest and working in other games and apps.
32 bit drivers - vista takes care of this, basically the driver doesn t work if it isnt 64 bit and digitally signed by the author.
Faulty components, well the testing that I do when I overclock beats the living crap out of all the components and a "faulty" component shows up - believe me.
OCCT - 2 hrs 52 degree celsius max
Super PI full range no errors
Prime 95 - 12 Hrs no errors

Yes since the problem arose I have dropped the machine back to stock specs.

Besides I dual boot into 32 bit vista and the game runs fine, with SLI enabled. 4 Gb ram, which vista sees only 3 gb ( 32 bit boundary ), same drivers except that they are 32 bit versions. Machine is overclocked to 3.4 Ghz and stable no crashes except the normal Nvidia video and sound driver conflict bug which happens whether the machine is overclocked or not.

Like Whitesnake said I have absolutely no problem running any other game that is out, including older games Hard Truck actually the whole 18 WOS series, Railroad Tycoon series, and the newest like Crysis, Call of Duty 4 Vegas 2 etc..

Grid ran on the 64 bit Vista for 5 or 6 days flawless cept for the Grid is still running error on shutdown / restart which was no biggy
So like I said before there is a conflict some place and I was hoping that another person had a similar experience that could shed light on a solution. OR even better to get some input from tech support - I thought that this was the tech support forum.

[electronichead]

If you overclock or use factory overclocked components than your system might become more unstable.

If you use cheap memory or not exactly the same modules your system also becomes more unstable.

I dont have any problems with any other game i have on this computer, everything runs perfectly fine, including Crysis, its just GRID that doesnt.

All the problems i run into i see a lots of posts about on the forum, they where there before the patches and are still here after the patches.

Those problems are:
Massive drop in FPS or Stuttering in wen racing at night.
Graphics glitches (again especaily at night)
Game crashes after exiting "Sponsors"
Game hangs on "Loading" after exiting a race
Game does not "Exit" but freezes on exit and Ctrl + Alt + Del has to be used to return to windows and taskmanager has to be used to end the game (new problem after 1.2 here)

Really extremy disapointed in the game altough it looks and plays great but the problems really kill it completly.


and again, why don't you take some rimms out and try Grid again? Try first with 4 Gb, and lower to 2 Gb when it still crashes. It could work in your case.

[DieHard]

I think that you are asking me about removing memory -- absolutely not. If I have to remove memory for one game out of about 20 to work, well that game won t work then. I do 3D modeling, web site building, coding, graphics work and gaming and have no problems running any application cept this game, I will not change a working configuration to run a single game - period. I know that a lot of people say that they have no other problems and just this whatever isn t working, but believe me I am telling you this is the only problem app that I have.

[DieHard]

Okay had some time today and sat down to find out what is what:

Put the PC back to factory specs 2.66 Ghz - No go
Removed Nvidia drivers with driver cleaner and re installed .19 - No go
Verified and defragged game files thru steam - No go
Ran Prime 95 overnight ( last night ) approx 12 hrs - No errors and No go
Ran a manual update for Vista and was up to date
Disabled all non essential services, Setpoint, Logitech MoMo drivers and profiler unplugged and shut down Malware apps - No go
Started the game with -novirtual - No go
Started the game with -safemode - No go
Tried all the compatibility modes for exe - No go
I had done all this before and there was no change so I knew that I wasn t even close yet
Now the new stuff:

Shut down Aero and side bar - No go
Downloaded and installed Asus's SoundMax drivers and software to replace the Vista sound subsystem -- GO

The game started and ran fine. Un installed the soundMax drivers and software and game ran fine???

WTF -- first the Vista drivers for the sound caused the game not to run, then they allowed it to run ??? Now I had not installed any sound card stuff since the installation of Vista 64 because the sound worked and was ok, never was updated from what I can tell in the update log,
So what caused anything to change to stop the game from running?
And the bigger question is why when I uninstalled the soundmax stuff does the game still run?

I had sound in all my other games, quite obvious I could tell, but whatever Grid does to access the sound subsystem had a conflict with something, that then disappeared after installing and then uninstalling the SMax stuff. I am running the game with the vista sound drivers and mixer as I was in the beginning, and with the system oc'd to 3.4 Ghz again, so I guess when it decides to stop again I know what to do. duh

I want to thank all for your input, but this goes to show you that vista has some issues for Grid or Grid has some issues for vista maybe both.

And a BIG thanks goes out to Grid Tech Support for all your help - Which amounted to NOTHING, no help, no replies, ideas, no nothing just take the money for the game, make a board and call it Tech Support and let the community do our work for us, WOW what a home run -- have 100's of people to support our game and not have to pay one of them anything -- in fact make them pay us to help you ( by buying the game then helping some one else )..

[HDBanger]

LOL, yeh, they arent much help are they.. me thinks the sound is the biggest problem in Grid. These people on the boards told me my sound card would not, could not, support hardware accel for grid. Well it wouldnt under xp sp3, but I since have installed vista 64 bit ultimate, upgraded to 4 gigs of ocz ddr2 800 and installed grid. Sound accel option is now available, I turn it on, run the game and it runs fine. Cant tell the diff really, but its now there and clearly ON.. So much for their BS that my card doesnt support hardware accel for grid..

[zBobG]

The SoundMax driver may install its own version of OpenAL which may not be compatible with GRID.

Uninstalling the SoundMax driver may not uninstall that incompatible version of OpenAL.

Reinstalling the SoundMax driver may not fix the problem.

A file, adi_oal.dll (in /windows/system32 folder), if present can be deleted after the SoundMax driver is uninstalled. Uninstalling the SoundMax driver, deleting the file, then reinstalling the SoundMax driver or some other driver (like the native Vista sound driver) may restore sound driver compatibility with GRID.

See post #5 in this thread in the DiRT forum (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211881) for more info.

Installing the wrong version of the SoundMax driver is sure to cause problems. Install only the version that is appropriate for your OS. For example the 32bit driver may cause trouble when installed in a 64bit OS.

If you have changed your sound drivers and still have problems, it may help to re-run the OpenAL installer usually found here after installing GRID:
"C:\Program Files\OpenAL\OalinstGridRelease.exe"

[dakn]

Well everything rjns perfectly fine here under Vista 64bit, beter than on Vista 32bit or XP.

The only constand problems i got are that the game crashes wen i leave "Sponsors" (Grid.exe has stopped working), Game hangs on Loading after i abort a race, Still masive FPS drop/Stutering and Graphics Glitches at night during LM 24h races.
And still no Force Feedback for my Saitek P2600 Rumblepad.
Is that your definition of PERFECT!?

[WhiteSnake]

All other games run with out any problems, and GRID runs fine also untill it becomes night on LM 24H.

@ electronichead:
I tried to run the game with just 2 RIMM's installed, doesnt make any difrence.

And on the Soundmax:
Buy a X-Fi card... Soundmax is hopeless.

Hardware acceleration works fine with GRID under Vista because GRID uses OpenAL for sound and not DirectSound or DirectSound3D (wich are 2 difrent things btw)

[illogik]

Why you are all trying to blame memory/drivers/vista etc is beyond me. I just did a fresh reinstall of 64bit vista today (and yes, all the latest drivers for my HW) and the first game i install is grid. Patched to 1.1 and played for a while, all works fine, not a problem. Then i notice a new patch, download/installed it and now grid crashes on the loading screen when i try to start a race.

How anybody can try blaming hardware for this when its blatantly obvious its more incompitence on the codies part is just stupid.

Running it (or not) on asus P5N-E SLI, Q6600 @ stock, 4gb xms2 corsair ddr2 800mhz.

Fine before 1.2, Broken after. do the math, it aint that hard.

How i long for the good old days when game developers used to actually put some effort into making games run properly from the start instead of just knocking together some half assed game that they can palm off to all of us mugs asap coz they dont wanna lose out on any profit.....

[electronichead]

All other games run with out any problems, and GRID runs fine also untill it becomes night on LM 24H.

@ electronichead:
I tried to run the game with just 2 RIMM's installed, doesnt make any difrence.

it was only a possibility

about LM, but i guessed you tried them already :

*change aspect ratio
*lowering quality of headlights

[WhiteSnake]

They just done a really lousy job testing and aperently also dont listen to the complaints here about the game.

Really stopped enjoying the game a while ago and think its been an absolute waste of money so far, hope they come out with a patch that does resolve some reall iseus.

[afrancuzik]

tstststs...so easy & cheap to blame CM. Because game X runs at 70 fps still doesn't mean Grid will do the same. And since this game is highly available as illegal download, i wonder how many of the probs are caused by bad cracks or bad images. I know where to get the no-dvd patches and blablabla, but i don't need them.
At the other hand, with all the possible hardware combos of today, and installed software, there will always be people who have trouble to get the game running. CM is not responsable for your personal pc settings. They can only try to solve your problem for your hardware setup. But you can't claim the game doesn't run for the most people.

And about the newer hardware : there are more and more proofs that the faster new high tech stuff does unbalance your pc, depending on the tasks running. Maybe tweakable, dunno. But Microsoft keeps silence in those issues.


I like Codemasters, but I hope you don't feel the same way about Vista.

I've heard of a lot of these issues on GRID (for PC), and I am NOT liking Vista right now (The Microsoft Mojave Experiment / VISTA can shove it! A marketing ploy if you ask me. Vista just sucks still! I'd still use XP if it would work with DX10 and my new video card).

I didn't pirate, but actually BOUGHT the game GRID, and I am STILL seeing these issues with update 1.1 and 1.2 (and I did download them both). The game kinda works, but if I play for 30min, less or more, it shuts down and just says "Grid has stopped working". NOT ONE BIT different from when I first installed it fresh without updates.

I built my computer for digital animation and video editing (...well obviously gaming too. And yes I do have a gaming card), and it wasn't cheap. I really hope Codemasters, AND/OR VISTA can figure this one out soon. When I first had Vista, SO many programs/games didn't work (and some were supposed to be Vista compatible). Now, more of my games work, but some of my editing programs still don't work (like AVID Pro. SO NOT happy about that!). The game is AMAZING... but I can't really play it on PC without having to restart game-play sometimes. Can I not at least play a good game on my free time?!?! *pounds desk and sobs with frustration*

I am almost 100% sure this is a operating system problem. We all know Microsoft is known for releasing Windows and not having all major bugs fixed for at least a couple years. Plus, with the new Direct X 10 changes (don't forget it's software AND HARDWARE changes), we might be looking at a greater complexity of work for PC updates and fixes. The consoles aren't going to have nearly as many problems because the software and hardware are mostly just for games.... and also because they depend on WORKING games. That's why they have so many game testers for console games.

So I guess we just have to wait it out...

Bo-ring!