Logitech Steering Wheel Fix - UPDATED WITH NEW INFORMATION.

[RFT]

Hi,
We've been in discussions with logitech about the problems, and have some new information to give you.

Firstly- the root cause of the problems (both axis confusion and lack of FF) is, at the point of installation of the wheel, plugging the wheel in before installing the Logitech Gaming sotware. It's very important that you don't do this, and only plug the wheel in when the software tells you to. Otherwise, windows auto-assigns a bunch of registry settings to the wheel which may not actually be right.

Despite this, We've identified an in-grid fix for the lack of force-feedback, which will appear in the upcoming PC patch.

As far was the "swapped axes" issue, it's not something we can fix with code within GRID, but after discussions with Logitech, they've created a new version of the "Clear Calibration" utility which you can find here (http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm#Clear%20Calibration%20Utility:). This performs the same actions that the previously-posted manual registry-edit did, without the requirement for you to head into your registry and fiddle with things. It shouldn't be neccesary to re-install the LGS unless it wasn't thoroughly installed the first time around (if you cancelled out of the calibration part).

Logitech is working on making improvements to the next version of the Gaming Software (5.03) so the axis problem should not happen again.

-additional-

It is not enough to just run the utility, because things still might go wrong based on the order of how things went. In some cases, just running the utility will make the force feedback work, but in others it won't.

However, if a user follows the following procedure, the force feedback should work in the game as it is now:

1. Plug in the wheel, and leave it plugged in through the whole procedure.
2. Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software
3. Run ClrCalib. Version must be 5.03.110 or more recent. Otherwise it won't work. Find the latest at:
http://wingmanteam.com/latest_softw...tion%20Utility:
4. Install latest Logitech Gaming Software (5.02). Follow the install without ever cancelling out.
5. Start and play the game. Axes will now be Y for accelerator, and Rz for brake. Force feedback should work.

If it doesn't, then I would be interested to see what the users following registry key looks like:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM

[Zeemon]

I can report that this fix has succesfully worked on Windows Vista 32 Bit. I now have Force Feedback and perfect controls where I did not have any Force Feedback whatsoever before, thank you very much!

[The_KELRaTH]

One small question before I edit; will the wheel still work ok with all the existing games?

[Zeemon]

One small question before I edit; will the wheel still work ok with all the existing games?
It does for me...

[(DRT) M!nd3dCobra6]

Hi,

Thanx a lot for this solution, my wheel works perfect now....

Keep Up The Good Work......

Greetzzz

[The_KELRaTH]

It does for me...

Cheers Zeemon



and nice find Codey's

[Rupertpupkin]

Is there a way to save profiles before uninstalling the logitech profiler?

Edit: Got it figured out. It did work though. Force is a bit underwhelming imo but it is nice getting some type of feedback now. Thanks.

[Supreme Driver]

I m not going to risk that. Thanks for the info but please fix this before the release.

[Wraith 9]

Wouldn't the registry cleaner available from the Logitech website do the same job?

[Core Driver]

I m not going to risk that. Thanks for the info but please fix this before the release.

You'd better talk to Logitech about this . . .

[Malrog]

Wouldn't the registry cleaner available from the Logitech website do the same job?

Yeh, RFT linked to that in this thread:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279522
However, some people have reported that the utility doesn't work for them, but if it works for you, then that's good stuff.

As for the person who said they're not going to risk this, you can always back up your registry first. Given the nature of this fix, the bug is probably operating system or driver-related, rather than something wrong with the game, so maybe Codies can't "fix this before release" as it's outside their control...

:)

[Wraith 9]

Yeh, RFT linked to that in this thread:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279522
However, some people have reported that the utility doesn't work for them, but if it works for you, then that's good stuff.
Thanks, but I used the registry fix before posting my post. It's good to know that that's likely to work for the people who aren't comfortable with editing the registry.

[Rupertpupkin]

It was very simple to edit the registry. Just follow the instructions provided and you will have no problems.

[RFT]

I've updated the first post to include the clear calibration utility.

Because this is a logitech-side problem, I don't think we'll be able to implement a fix in the retail version of GRID, which is a shame.

[J@v!3R]

This Fix is working for me, I now have forcefeedback with my MoMo Wheel.

BUT!!!

When playing with the wheel, when I pause the game I cannot return back to the race and when I crash the slow-motion rewind feature doesn't start and cant do anything, just hit ALT+F4 to quit the game. Pressing ESC or any key on the keyboard doesn't do nothing...

[Jason Six]

I've updated the first post to include the clear calibration utility.

Because this is a logitech-side problem, I don't think we'll be able to implement a fix in the retail version of GRID, which is a shame.

Perfectly understandable. Is Codemasters planning on sending Logitech a note about this problem? I'm not sure how the communication between software and hardware manufacturers on conflicts like this work, but it would be nice if Logitech would release an update to their drivers to address this problem.

If there's anything that the community can do to motivate Logitech to update their driver, please let us know.

[bigjdubb]

Well the registry fix didn't work for my G25. I really don't think this is a logitech issue since my wheel works perfectly fine in every other game. It may be an issue with the logitech not working properly in this game but to me that is a codemasters problem.

[Wraith 9]

It's nothing to do with Codies, it's a Vista driver issue. Logitech should be notified of this.

[J@v!3R]

This Fix is working for me, I now have forcefeedback with my MoMo Wheel.

BUT!!!

When playing with the wheel, when I pause the game I cannot return back to the race and when I crash the slow-motion rewind feature doesn't start and cant do anything, just hit ALT+F4 to quit the game. Pressing ESC or any key on the keyboard doesn't do nothing...

I found out what was causing the slow-motion feature not working and pause issue.

It was caused by the PostProcess disable hack that I installed, removed the edited postprocess folder and replaced it with the original one and now I dont have issue with these features.

[bigjdubb]

It's nothing to do with Codies, it's a Vista driver issue. Logitech should be notified of this.

How is it a driver issue if the wheel works fine in every other game?

[cwoodshere]

Hi there.
I have tryed what was said above. It did not work at all. But question when you are in the options to configer the G25 setting trying to change the accelerate from Inverse Y-Axis because when the race starts I press on the gas pedal the car go back words
I have try every to change it. But I just can't figer it out. It just wont let me change any of the setting. For the G25 race wheel or using the key board.

[Jason Six]

I applied the registry edit, which fixed my force feedback, but now my G25 is off-center and I have no engine sounds during a race or replay. I can hear the suspension working and my tires locking up, just no engine sounds. :( I changed nothing except what was pertaining to the registry fix. Everything was working fine before (sound, wheel centered).

[Malrog]

I applied the registry edit, which fixed my force feedback, but now my G25 is off-center and I have no engine sounds during a race or replay. I can hear the suspension working and my tires locking up, just no engine sounds. :( I changed nothing except what was pertaining to the registry fix. Everything was working fine before (sound, wheel centered).

Have you tried re-calibrating your wheel to fix the centering issue? When you applied the edit, did you uninstall/reinstall the Logitech software as described?

No idea about the sound issue, can't see how that would be related at all.

[Malrog]

Hi there.
I have tryed what was said above. It did not work at all. But question when you are in the options to configer the G25 setting trying to change the accelerate from Inverse Y-Axis because when the race starts I press on the gas pedal the car go back words
I have try every to change it. But I just can't figer it out. It just wont let me change any of the setting. For the G25 race wheel or using the key board.

First thing to check is to make sure that you are not reporting combined pedals in the Logitech software, the game needs separate pedals to work with the default settings. If you've got it set to separate pedals and it's still not working, then the second thing is to ensure that your wheel and software are installed and working properly - check that your wheel is functioning correctly in the logitech software.

The Inverse Y-axis setting is the default for the accelerator, and should work if your wheel and software are properly installed. However if it's not working properly, all is not lost!

How to create a custom configuration for your controller
You should be able to configure your controller by following these steps:
Go to the Controller configuration screen and press left or right to get to the Custom Configuration panel.
Press the Control key to enter edit mode.
Press Enter on the game action that you want to configure, and a question mark in a circle will appear. This shows that the game is waiting for you to input the controller action that you want.
Perform the appropriate controller action (e.g. press the accelerator) and it will appear in place of the question mark.
Repeat the above steps for all the actions you want to set up.
When you're finished back out (with Escape), and then go and save your profile manually (in the full game it will be autosaved).
You should now be ready to race! Good luck!

[Jason Six]

Have you tried re-calibrating your wheel to fix the centering issue? When you applied the edit, did you uninstall/reinstall the Logitech software as described?

No idea about the sound issue, can't see how that would be related at all.

I went and grabbed the DXTweak tool from the Wingman Team website which allowed me to adjust the centering of the wheel. So all is well with my wheel now.

I don't see how the sound problem is related to the registry fix either but it worked fine before. That's the nature of the beast (PCs) I suppose.

EDIT: I figured out my sound problem; I was running the game through my headphones (2-Channel) while it was trying to output 5.1 through my main speakers. I can't believe I didn't figure this out earlier. *Slaps forehead*. Everything is working fine now.

[Malrog]

@Jason Six: Delighted to hear it's all working now, good stuff!

There are definitely some useful tools on that website http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm, I particularly like the Poswdm Utility as a tool to see if your controllers are installed properly. *hint hint* :)

[Jason Six]

@Jason Six: Delighted to hear it's all working now, good stuff!

There are definitely some useful tools on that website http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm, I particularly like the Poswdm Utility as a tool to see if your controllers are installed properly. *hint hint* :)

Is there any advantage in using the Poswdm utility over the standard Windows button/axis screen? Does it give more details or is it just cooler to have? :)

[Malrog]

I think it's just that the utility gives a bit more information, and it's probably a simpler application than the Windows screen, so more likely to be accurate. However, it's not as user-friendly.

[piggy322]

Ok tried the fix and it gave me back FFB, now it accelerate on it's own and it won't let me use the brake. I followed the fix to the letter. What now.
I have Logitech Momo and windows vista 32.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

Forget about the problem above^^ solve already within the profile.

[Lexx000]

THANK YOU!

I had to resort to editing the registry to get it to work, but WOW.. I have am so impressed with this...

no tweaking/hacking/etc, just got in and drove again on the BMW track and I immediately knocked 3 seconds off my lap time...


still have to tweak my personal FF settings but the amount of feedback via the wheel is awesome

I do NOT have the "Enable Centering Spring" option enabled.. the wheel goes back to center smoothly and accurately.

Simply amazing.. I WILL be playing this game this summer... no doubt about that..

Thank you Codemasters and thank you Codemasters Community...

this is very sweet, perhaps see if you can get logitech to write a reg editor that
clears keys for their wheels, it's obvious your engine is using the wheels in a new way versus other games, thus the need to do this...

I can't wait for this to be released.

Cheers,

Lexx000

[HwyDrftr]

This is great! I logged in hoping to at least read about a patch coming out to fix it but this is way better. :D

I had downloaded latest drivers and the logitech reg app but but never guessed it was the reg settings... now I just need to remember how to reset all the hax I tried on the ffb cfg files... :p

[Syl]

The second fix with regedit worked for me on Vista 64 with a DFP and the latest drivers.

I had a clean vista install (SP1), I installed the drivers, plugged the wheel when the drivers asked for it, started GRID and it didn't work at first (no FFB, no break, full acceleration).
After that, I tried other games (GTR2, Testdrive Unlimited, NFS Carbon) and they work fine with FFB.
The only one which didn't work was GRID. Why ?

The fix works fine but it's just a shame that I need to read the forum and hack the registry to make it work...

[Gomez]

I have the Logitec Momo Racing wheel but the Cleaner util reports that an erorr occurred when trying to access

System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaResources\Jo ystick

When trying t fix manually I'm able to narrow this down the HKEY_localMachine Hive.

Anyone have any ideas what may be causing this? I'm on Vista 32-bit non-service packed.


Many thanks

[bmaytum]

Gomez:
I don't know whats causing your problem. I'm posting to say DO NOT touch the registry "Hive". Hive refers to 5 (or 4?) main sections of the registry and you could kill Windows if you mess with the Hive (at least thats how it is for WinXP - Vista likely the same). Try instead to go back to the original posting at top of this thread and closely follow those instructions. Good luck.

[RFT]

Hi,

I've updated the first post with some important new informationm which I'd urge everyone to read.

[thing_70]

Fantastic, i saw you're workaround this day at my work, i couldn't wait to get home to play with ff. Now i'm back at home and the solution is gone and the website were i can download the new tool doesn't work :( Can you please put the workaround back?

[Drower]

As far was the "swapped axes" issue, it's not something we can fix with code within GRID,

Strange, how come a lot of other games can do this? A majority of flight sims, other racing sims and even games like GTA can handle swapping axes.

I don't have this problem, so maybe I just didn't understand what it refers to.

[Pogarooney]

I'm still not having any luck getting my Momo's FFB working under Vista (32bit). I decided to wait to see if it would be fixed in the final release before diddling with my registry, but alas the Force Feedback is still very much broken.

In desperation I have removed the any Logitech s'ware, cleared the registry (using RegSupreme Pro) and then reinstalled it - but without any joy.

I also tried installing Grid under my XP64 partition, but that **** SecuRom software prevents it from launching.

When is that touted PC patch coming out Mr Moderator? – I can’t face the prospect of having to resort to using a keyboard!

[Freneticz]

How to get FFB on G25, dont find how to do in forum

[Tyre Smoke]

Hi

The updated post at the start of the thread seems to have removed the details of the registry edit required to get FFB working.

Several people have posted (here and in the other thread) they are using vista 32 and a logitech driving force and they got force feedback working after doing the registry edit which now seems to be gone.

The clear calibration utility does not solve the problem.

I have installed the latest logitech software, reinstalled the wheel, it works in grid but no FFB...

please repost the original fix for me (and others like me) - thanks.

[MrPix2005]

Hi

The updated post at the start of the thread seems to have removed the details of the registry edit required to get FFB working.

Several people have posted (here and in the other thread) they are using vista 32 and a logitech driving force and they got force feedback working after doing the registry edit which now seems to be gone.

The clear calibration utility does not solve the problem.

I have installed the latest logitech software, reinstalled the wheel, it works in grid but no FFB...

please repost the original fix for me (and others like me) - thanks.

Try this:
1. Close GRID
2. Close the Logitech Gaming Software (make sure it is not in your system tray too)...
3. Unplug your wheel...
4. Run the Clear Calibration Utility...
5. Plug in your wheel,
6. Start LGS ...
7. Start GRID and enjoy the woolleyist feedback ever..LOL

it's fixed it on 2 installs here, both on Vista 64, one with DFP and one with G25 :)

The most probable cause of this method not working is having LGS running or the wheel still plugged in. EDIT:... or the software (LGS) maybe being installed after the wheel has been plugged in originally?

HTH.

MrPix

[NRGizzer]

Try this:
1. Close GRID
2. Close the Logitech Gaming Software (make sure it is not in your system tray too)...
3. Unplug your wheel...
4. Run the Clear Calibration Utility...
5. Plug in your wheel,
6. Start LGS ...
7. Start GRID and enjoy the woolleyist feedback ever..LOL

it's fixed it on 2 installs here, both on Vista 64, one with DFP and one with G25 :)

The most probable cause of this method not working is having LGS running or the wheel still plugged in.

HTH.

MrPix

That does not work for me too.

Please PLEASE anyone post the orignal Registry Keys. I have the Logitech Momo Racing Fore Feedback Wheel, but in GRID without Force Feedback :(. OS is Vista 64Bit

[Tyre Smoke]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyre Smoke
Hi

The updated post at the start of the thread seems to have removed the details of the registry edit required to get FFB working.

Several people have posted (here and in the other thread) they are using vista 32 and a logitech driving force and they got force feedback working after doing the registry edit which now seems to be gone.

The clear calibration utility does not solve the problem.

I have installed the latest logitech software, reinstalled the wheel, it works in grid but no FFB...

please repost the original fix for me (and others like me) - thanks.



Try this:
1. Close GRID
2. Close the Logitech Gaming Software (make sure it is not in your system tray too)...
3. Unplug your wheel...
4. Run the Clear Calibration Utility...
5. Plug in your wheel,
6. Start LGS ...
7. Start GRID and enjoy the woolleyist feedback ever..LOL

it's fixed it on 2 installs here, both on Vista 64, one with DFP and one with G25

The most probable cause of this method not working is having LGS running or the wheel still plugged in. EDIT:... or the software (LGS) maybe being installed after the wheel has been plugged in originally?

HTH.

MrPix

Can I confirm that you are saying at point 6:

6.1: run lgs
6.2: calibrate ur wheel (which actually takes u to the windows calibration)
6.3 leave lgs running and launch grid?

also what settings in the windows game controllers settings should we be having for force feedback?

I am getting "something", possibly very light feedback, no rumble or impact stuff.....wooly does not really cover it, poo would describe it better - but I have tried the game with the same wheel on an xp machine and the ffb works fine... just my vista one has higher grpx power.... works perfectly in TRD3 in vista and xp....

as the bloke above has asked - please please someone repost the original fix that worked... thanks.

edited - I have tried what you said no avail (with my 6.1-6.3 ;) ) - it is quite likely that at some point the wheel was plugged in before the lgs software was installed - so what is the fix for this? Thanks again. :)

[NRGizzer]

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Unplug the wheel from the USB Socket on the PC.

3) Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software (LGS)

4) Run regedit

5) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

6) Re-install the LGS, making sure you correctly follow the prompts regarding plugging the wheel in. (as in “don’t plug it in till it tells you to”)

[Tyre Smoke]

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Unplug the wheel from the USB Socket on the PC.

3) Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software (LGS)

4) Run regedit

5) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

6) Re-install the LGS, making sure you correctly follow the prompts regarding plugging the wheel in. (as in “don’t plug it in till it tells you to”)

brilliant thanks - top man I am trying that now :) :)

[Tyre Smoke]

still no joy....

are you supposed to have the lgs software running while you run grid?

what FFB settings should you have in the windows game controllers in the control panel?

thanks again.

edit: the wheel works fine in full on, very strong ffb with TRD3 with vista, but on the same machine, straight out and into grid - no ffb (or virtually none, I am not sure which)....

in xp it works great in both... seems to be a vista related issue, but definitely a problem with grid as well as in vista the wheel works fine with everything else.

[Pogarooney]

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Unplug the wheel from the USB Socket on the PC.

3) Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software (LGS)

4) Run regedit

5) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

6) Re-install the LGS, making sure you correctly follow the prompts regarding plugging the wheel in. (as in “don’t plug it in till it tells you to”)

You sir are a star! - this worked like a charm - many thanks. Do you think you could get the rest of my crappy Vista OS to work properly as well?

[Knacki99]

Try this:
1. Close GRID
2. Close the Logitech Gaming Software (make sure it is not in your system tray too)...
3. Unplug your wheel...
4. Run the Clear Calibration Utility...
5. Plug in your wheel,
6. Start LGS ...
7. Start GRID and enjoy the woolleyist feedback ever..LOL

it's fixed it on 2 installs here, both on Vista 64, one with DFP and one with G25 :)

The most probable cause of this method not working is having LGS running or the wheel still plugged in. EDIT:... or the software (LGS) maybe being installed after the wheel has been plugged in originally?

HTH.

MrPix

Doesn't work here either. This is with a custom control setup for a Logitech Momo Racing. Works fine in TDU.

Clear Calibration utility has had no effect on both preset profile within GRID and FFB.

With custom control manually configured axis work properly but no FFB at all, which sux because the wheel is turned too easily.

Get this fixed asap. Maybe a hotfix is in order for this rather than let people wait for the full patch "in the coming week(s)".

[roy-even]

same problem here with Formula™ Force EX logitech.
when grid starts the wheel shuts down on feedback.
i have done all things what was posted here down and nothing works.

[Knacki99]

Uninstalling/Unplugging/Clear Calib/Reinstalling/Replugging MOMO wheel doesn't work either.

All on Vista 64bit SP1

[FiXeR_nl]

The fix only fix the steering lag. I still dont have any Force Feedback.

G25 + Vista Sp1 X64

[roy-even]

i dont think the grid can be played with the wheel yett,i think the grid is only for now with the keybord.
must wait for a update and thats a little sadly.
with mine logitech formula itt worked perfect on other race games like toka 3.

[roy-even]

nope sry itt does not work with Formula™ Force EX.
itt works perfect with toka racer but on grid itt does not work that great.
weird hey but ok.
1: when starting the game the wheel stops working,when closes the game the wheel works again.

[wicked_dude]

The fix only fix the steering lag. I still dont have any Force Feedback.

G25 + Vista Sp1 X64

which one? how to remove that anoying lag?

[Dualmonitors]

Mr. Forum Moderator/other Codemaster Gentlemen:

I have read all your latest instructions very carefully, including the quoted "new" instructions below, and followed EVERYTHING exactly. As I'm a newbie, i just got my G25 on Friday and read everything carefully before plugging the G25 into my PC for the first time - thus ensuring that none of the so called "registry assignment" issues would come up.

Sadly, i have no Force Feedback - none whatsoever. (btw, Vista Ultimate SP1, G25 wheel)

I have tried Live for Speed and that does work very well - including Force Feedback.

I am cautious and would not wish to make manual changes to the registry, as suggested by certain posts. No offense - it's just that i'm concerned about unintended consequences.

i would much prefer to see an "official fix" or "official solution" that's blessed by GRID/Codemasters and Logitech jointly, as this would ensure that nothing would be harmful since these are the "original folks" who ought to fully understand the consequences of what their "fixes" would accomplish.

May I kindly as when the good folks at Codemasters/Logitech would be able to issue an "official solution" to this very unfortunate issue? I have pre-paid over the weekend at a store in order to be assured of a copy of GRID upon the USA release date of Tuesday, and was told to pick it up on Wednesday.

It seems extremely unfortunate to me that something as purportedly great as this game would have such a big issue with a fundamental aspect of these great games -- that being Force Feedback NOT working. I remain hopeful that the good moderators/Codemasters folks would work to get this resolved very shortly as it was very costly for me to have invested in the G25 wheel and pre-ordered the GRID game. I do recognize that i'm a newbie but i have, in good faith, purchased all the items and followed ALL the instructions, including the "new instructions" at the FIRST post of this thread, diligently before plugging in the G25 for the very first time.

Additionally, there is an unfortunate wheel lag as well (as noted by others) where when i turn the G25 wheel, it takes a moment before the GRID car's wheels begin to have any effect. Also, when the GRID car's wheels DOES start turning left or right, the turning effect is rather strong rendering the car very hard to steer/control (yes, i have tried to tweak the various settings again and again. Once more, this does NOT seem to happen in Live for Speed)

Thank you in advance. (I apologize in advance for a negatively toned post, but this is hard to ignore in the VERY early stages of setting the game up as steering control as well as Force Feedback are clearly fundamental aspects of the game and it's tough to move forward without their proper implementation!)

Hi,
We've been in discussions with logitech about the problems, and have some new information to give you.

Firstly- the root cause of the problems (both axis confusion and lack of FF) is, at the point of installation of the wheel, plugging the wheel in before installing the Logitech Gaming sotware. It's very important that you don't do this, and only plug the wheel in when the software tells you to. Otherwise, windows auto-assigns a bunch of registry settings to the wheel which may not actually be right.

Despite this, We've identified an in-grid fix for the lack of force-feedback, which will appear in the upcoming PC patch.

As far was the "swapped axes" issue, it's not something we can fix with code within GRID, but after discussions with Logitech, they've created a new version of the "Clear Calibration" utility which you can find here (http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm#Clear%20Calibration%20Utility:). This performs the same actions that the previously-posted manual registry-edit did, without the requirement for you to head into your registry and fiddle with things. It shouldn't be neccesary to re-install the LGS unless it wasn't thoroughly installed the first time around (if you cancelled out of the calibration part).

Logitech is working on making improvements to the next version of the Gaming Software (5.03) so the axis problem should not happen again.

[Knacki99]

Mr. Forum Moderator/other Codemaster Gentlemen:

I have read all your latest instructions very carefully, including the quoted "new" instructions below, and followed EVERYTHING exactly. As I'm a newbie, i just got my G25 on Friday and read everything carefully before plugging the G25 into my PC for the first time - thus ensuring that none of the so called "registry assignment" issues would come up.

Sadly, i have no Force Feedback - none whatsoever. (btw, Vista Ultimate SP1, G25 wheel)

I have tried Live for Speed and that does work very well - including Force Feedback.

I am cautious and would not wish to make manual changes to the registry, as suggested by certain posts. No offense - it's just that i'm concerned about unintended consequences.

i would much prefer to see an "official fix" or "official solution" that's blessed by GRID/Codemasters and Logitech jointly, as this would ensure that nothing would be harmful since these are the "original folks" who ought to fully understand the consequences of what their "fixes" would accomplish.

May I kindly as when the good folks at Codemasters/Logitech would be able to issue an "official solution" to this very unfortunate issue? I have pre-paid over the weekend at a store in order to be assured of a copy of GRID upon the USA release date of Tuesday, and was told to pick it up on Wednesday.

It seems extremely unfortunate to me that something as purportedly great as this game would have such a big issue with a fundamental aspect of these great games -- that being Force Feedback NOT working. I remain hopeful that the good moderators/Codemasters folks would work to get this resolved very shortly as it was very costly for me to have invested in the G25 wheel and pre-ordered the GRID game. I do recognize that i'm a newbie but i have, in good faith, purchased all the items and followed ALL the instructions, including the "new instructions" at the FIRST post of this thread, diligently before plugging in the G25 for the very first time.

Additionally, there is an unfortunate wheel lag as well (as noted by others) where when i turn the G25 wheel, it takes a moment before the GRID car's wheels begin to have any effect. Also, when the GRID car's wheels DOES start turning left or right, the turning effect is rather strong rendering the car very hard to steer/control (yes, i have tried to tweak the various settings again and again. Once more, this does NOT seem to happen in Live for Speed)

Thank you in advance. (I apologize in advance for a negatively toned post, but this is hard to ignore in the VERY early stages of setting the game up as steering control as well as Force Feedback are clearly fundamental aspects of the game and it's tough to move forward without their proper implementation!)

Full ack!

I also have a hard time believing that NO reviewer has played the PC version with a Logitech wheel and not encountered this issue. Strange isn't it?

[Snance]

Many have a logitech wheel, also the force EX.
Is it reasonable that we may expect that Codemasters/Devellopers test it first ?
Even if it is not their fault, they had to solve it with Logitech first. Bringing out a beta could solve many problems before bringing out the game.
Now i have bought a force ex wheel and the game for over 120 euro, must i play it with
keyboard now ? Games for windows it says on the package. Is that the reason that
the microsoft xbox controler for Pc works fine ?
I prefer the wheel.....

[OzBoz]

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
-cut-
Thanks! Worked for me also, G25 with Vista 32bit combo. Must say there is quite a lot force feedback.. but I drive like sh*t, used to rFactor and that's different :)

[Dualmonitors]

Full ack!

I also have a hard time believing that NO reviewer has played the PC version with a Logitech wheel and not encountered this issue. Strange isn't it?
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Knacki99:

I started a new thread, also in the GRID - Tech Support section - specifically with the subject line inquiring about the TIMING of such an officially "blessed" PC fix.

It is unfair to bring out such a big, splashy game, causing a good number of buyers to get a fancy schmany wheel, in my case, the Logitech G25, and simply continue to bring out the game, sell it (!) with the COMPLETE knowledge that there are 2 BIG, fundamental issues:

1. NO force feedback
2. steering delay, especially in the center portion of the steering.

please see my separate thread.

Thx!

[zlorfik!]

Sorry guys,

i also started a new thread. Found a solution (Formula Force Ex) for me and could maybe work for others too. Started a new one so that the solution is on top. 'cause its not easy to find such hints on 100replies-threads :)


http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284947

[crainar1]

I have the same problem, i have Windows Vista x64 SP1 and Driving Force Pro, Force Feedback (FFB) don't work.

I tried all of this thread and nothing.

For when the fix?!

[RFT]

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with the COMPLETE knowledge that there are 2 BIG, fundamental issues:

1. NO force feedback
2. steering delay, especially in the center portion of the steering.

please see my separate thread.

Thx!

That's hardly fair- the issues are by no means universal. while we appreciate your frustration at the situation, it's not affecting all G25 users by a long shot. I've personally plugged-and-played the game without issue on more than one G25 setup, and yes it has been tested by our QA and compatibility departments. the nature of modern PCs is, though, that not everything can get covered- it's just the nature of the PC platform- its fluidity is its strength and weakness at the same time.

Announcing an official date for the patch at this would invite more issues (and community anger were that date not to be hit) than it would solve, so naturally, we'd prefer not to until we know we have a reasonable target we can hit.

I know it's frustrating, but the developers are working hard to get the patch finished and it'll be available as soon as we can reasonably manage.

[Dualmonitors]

That's hardly fair- the issues are by no means universal. while we appreciate your frustration at the situation, it's not affecting all G25 users by a long shot. I've personally plugged-and-played the game without issue on more than one G25 setup, and yes it has been tested by our QA and compatibility departments. the nature of modern PCs is, though, that not everything can get covered- it's just the nature of the PC platform- its fluidity is its strength and weakness at the same time.

Announcing an official date for the patch at this would invite more issues (and community anger were that date not to be hit) than it would solve, so naturally, we'd prefer not to until we know we have a reasonable target we can hit.

I know it's frustrating, but the developers are working hard to get the patch finished and it'll be available as soon as we can reasonably manage.
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Sir: thank you for taking the time to reply.

fine. i will take your word for it that there are issues with PC's that are not easy to catch. yet, we all recognize that this is not the first game that Codemasters is bringing out nor is Codemasters new at interfacing with either PC's nor Logitech G25's. just want to put these "new" issues in perspective. Obviously, both PC's, Windows Vista, as well as the G25 have been out for quite a while as have other Codemasters games that utilize all those.

i will still, as a new comer to gaming, give Codemasters the benefit of doubt and wait a bit. To NOT give any indications of even a sense of timing, however, is a bit much, if you don't mind me saying so. there is no sense of whether you're suggesting a few days, a few weeks, or a few months. there is not even an indication. I do not, personally, find that to be satisfactory. that may be just me, but i do want to at least voice my personal feelings about this, while not at all speaking for the many others here.

fyi: people have mistakenly talked about me having a Vista 64 bit OS. NO, i do NOT have Vista 64. I HAVE VISTA 32-bit ULTIMATE. this is what i have:

GRID demo (pre-ordered GRID for Tuesday's launch via a deposit at GameStop)

Logitech G25 (brand new ordered this past week in order to play GRID this coming week

Vista 32-bit Ultimate, SP1

Asus P5W DH Deluxe Motherboard / C2D E6600 2.4GHz

4gb Crucial Ballistix SDRAM DDR2 800

EVGA 8800 GTS 640MB
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I hope this does help in analyzing what is actually wrong with GRID vis-a-vis the G25 wheel. again, as many others have stated, the G25 works well with Live for Speed, as well as other games, providing force feedback and other stated effects.

thank you for noticing, and thank you for stopping by to write your thoughts.

hope that the timing of the PC patch is in a number of days, maybe a week to two, rather than longer than that. there seems little point in me picking up the game on Wednesday from my pre-order, right?

btw, any chance that the FULL game works with the G25 yet the demo doesn't? does anyone know that?

Mmm...

[Knacki99]

Well lets put it this way. There are systems that work and others that don't. You tested as well as you were able and still there are quite a few glitches that influence ones play experience.

I agree that different PC configs are hard to lock on to development wise on the other hand titles like DIRT did not have this problem so I do not understand why you overoptimized something that worked into something that is clearly broken for some.

And furthermore GRID is a "Games for Windows" title! Let me quote:

"The Games for Windows brand on games means four key things:

1) Quality. Games for Windows branded titles undergo extensive testing, and not just by the publisher. Microsoft also invests in quality checking each title to ensure they meet performance and reliability standards.

2) Compatibility. Games for Windows branded titles work on Windows XP and Windows Vista based PCs, including both 32 and 64 bit editions. [...]"

So this means to me that either your development team, your Q&A department and/or MS have overlooked or even worse have known about broken FFB on (Vista) 64bit systems and potential other issues such as the dreaded BSOD on game exit (Video memory management). May I also list the borked hardware_settings.xml files where the same values are present for different settings in the menu?

People indicated that problems already existed in the demo.

Still you chose to release GRID in its current state. Also the fix you offer does not work for all people affected so there is more to it than just a misconfiguration of registry settings.

A patch has been announced, well oh great dear sir thank the god in heaven that you work on it!

What about my payment to you that you work on it? I am forced to play with keyboard which I do not want. I can not play full featured with my MOMO wheel until you finish the patch - whenever that is. You however live from my payment for something that does not fully work in the meantime...

And you call it hardly fair that we demand an explanation and that patch???

[Malrog]

Hi all

Sorry to hear you're still having issues. We've been in touch with Logitech and here is their response:
To make sure the force feedback works, it is not enough to just run the utility, because things still might go wrong based on the order of how things went. In some cases, just running the utility will make the force feedback work, but in others it won't.

However, if a user follows the following procedure, the force feedback should work in the game as it is now:

1. Plug in the wheel, and leave it plugged in through the whole procedure.
2. Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software
3. Run ClrCalib. Version must be 5.03.109 or more recent. Otherwise it won't work. Find the latest at:
http://wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm#Clear%20Calibration%20Utility:
4. Install latest Logitech Gaming Software (5.02). Follow the install without ever cancelling out.
5. Start and play the game. Axes will now be Y for accelerator, and Rz for brake. Force feedback should work.

If it doesn't, then I would be interested to see what the users following registry key looks like:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM
So if anyone follows the above procedure and still has problems, please can you post or PM me with the contents of the above registry key and I will forward this to Logitech.

To do this, open the registry editor by typing regedit on the command line, and browse to the key specified above. Then, right click on the key and select export. Make sure Save as type is set to .reg, and save the file out. Change the file to a text file by renaming it with .txt on the end of the name so you can attach it to your post, or copy the contents of it in a PM to me.

Please bear with us on this, we are working as fast as we can to resolve the issue. There is however, an unfortunate delay in our communications with Logitech, due to the time difference between the UK and California, which means progress on these issues is not as swift as anyone would like. That being said, the sooner you do this, the sooner we can work on a fix. :D

Many Thanks for your assistance in this. :thumbs:

PS. RFT, please can you either link to this post or copy it verbatim to the top post of this thread. Thanks.

[RFT]

Info added to first post...


And you call it hardly fair that we demand an explanation and that patch???

No, that's a perfectly reasonable to thing to ask. What I said wasn't fair was the implication that the problem is universal, which it isn't.

[Knacki99]

Hi all

Sorry to hear you're still having issues. We've been in touch with Logitech and here is their response:

So if anyone follows the above procedure and still has problems, please can you post or PM me with the contents of the above registry key and I will forward this to Logitech.

To do this, open the registry editor by typing regedit on the command line, and browse to the key specified above. Then, right click on the key and select export. Make sure Save as type is set to .reg, and save the file out. Change the file to a text file by renaming it with .txt on the end of the name so you can attach it to your post, or copy the contents of it in a PM to me.

Please bear with us on this, we are working as fast as we can to resolve the issue. There is however, an unfortunate delay in our communications with Logitech, due to the time difference between the UK and California, which means progress on these issues is not as swift as anyone would like. That being said, the sooner you do this, the sooner we can work on a fix. :D

Many Thanks for your assistance in this. :thumbs:

PS. RFT, please can you either link to this post or copy it verbatim to the top post of this thread. Thanks.

Hi!

I followed your instructions to no avail. IT DOES NOT WORK. At least not here on my PC. Axis are borked (full throttle on) no FFB.

May I also say that your forum does not allow attchments!!! Upload Errors
momo.txt:
Exceeds forum quota by 14.9 KB.

So here is my registry export as txt file: http://www.driveway.com/a4b0z7c4c1

Here is my DXdiag:
http://www.driveway.com/a1q8k1g4z5

[Malrog]

Thanks for getting back so quickly. That's really useful info. Not quite sure what's happening with the attachments, but thanks for uploading those files.

The positive news is that your registry information shows that this is the same problem that we know to cause the loss of FFB, so it's not a different issue, the problem now is why the calibration utility doesn't fix the issue. So I've forwarded the files to Logitech, but won't hear from them for a while as it's 3:50am there at the moment. :)

We're working on it :)

[Philippens]

It still does noything right. Followed all instructions deleted calibration, deinstalled and installed Logitech gaming software 5.02 etc etc.
I also have large stutters. Nvidia 8800, Intel quad processor Vista 32, 4 Gb memory.
What is wrong?

[marling]

Are there any plans to add the use of the H-shifter and clutch for the G25 on the PC version? Simply no real driving without it!! I think it adds a great deal for the realism.

[Tyre Smoke]

Info added to first post...


No, that's a perfectly reasonable to thing to ask. What I said wasn't fair was the implication that the problem is universal, which it isn't.

Seems to me reading here and other threads that the problem is universal if you have vista and a logitech wheel.

Mine works fine in xp with grid, the same machine dual booted to vista and no ffb.

So no the problem is not universal, but gotta be pretty common as logitech are the most popular wheels and unfortunately many people got vista with their pc over the last year or so and have no choice.

Even more annoying that you guys say you have a fix for it, knew about this problem before release - but won't release it as a hotfix and we all have to wait until whenever for a patch.

It is not microsofts fault so no good saying ahh well its all down to vista - nor is it logitechs fault - nor is it all the punters fault for buying a logitech wheel or having vista, or buying grid assuming it would work with their setup (which whilst not universal is common). Everyone says their vista / logitech setup works with all other games...

OK so lucky me I know how to set my machine up to dual boot so I can play grid now with no problems - but this should not be required as the game is sold with the "games for windows" & vista logo......

Just putting a hotfix in this forum would shut everyone up......

[Malrog]

It still does noything right. Followed all instructions deleted calibration, deinstalled and installed Logitech gaming software 5.02 etc etc.
I also have large stutters. Nvidia 8800, Intel quad processor Vista 32, 4 Gb memory.
What is wrong?
I'm afraid your attached file doesn't contain any information, it's only 2 bytes in size. Please try attaching the registry information and dxdiag again. Thanks

[Malrog]

Are there any plans to add the use of the H-shifter and clutch for the G25 on the PC version? Simply no real driving without it!! I think it adds a great deal for the realism.
We don't have clutch support I'm afraid. However you should be able to use the H-shifter if you use the default setup, and we've added support for the H-shifter in the custom setup to the forthcoming PC patch.

[marling]

We don't have clutch support I'm afraid. However you should be able to use the H-shifter if you use the default setup, and we've added support for the H-shifter in the custom setup to the forthcoming PC patch.

Great!! Now if you whould just add clutch supp. then this whould be one hell of a game. It's almost Project Gotham for PC. So clutch support is on my short wish list. Thanks in advance.

[Philippens]

I'm afraid your attached file doesn't contain any information, it's only 2 bytes in size. Please try attaching the registry information and dxdiag again. Thanks
I used the deinstallation and installation of the Logitech Game Software and in between cal eraser + manual deletion of the Register and now the Momo works ok. The first lap however a have a lot of stutter, as if the game isn't finished downloading all the data.

[Norten Ashragor]

Yes please, clutch support is #1 on my wishlist.

[Snance]

maybe a stupid question for you all, but where is the topic what tells wich lines to clear in the register ?

In my registers are under direct input at least six id's .
They are not cleared with the clear cal. tool

[Dualmonitors]

Mr. Malrog: Private Messaged you with the Registry information as well as the DxDiag info as well.

Thx and looking forward to hearing from you either via email or Private Message.

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Hi all

Sorry to hear you're still having issues. We've been in touch with Logitech and here is their response:

So if anyone follows the above procedure and still has problems, please can you post or PM me with the contents of the above registry key and I will forward this to Logitech.

To do this, open the registry editor by typing regedit on the command line, and browse to the key specified above. Then, right click on the key and select export. Make sure Save as type is set to .reg, and save the file out. Change the file to a text file by renaming it with .txt on the end of the name so you can attach it to your post, or copy the contents of it in a PM to me.

Please bear with us on this, we are working as fast as we can to resolve the issue. There is however, an unfortunate delay in our communications with Logitech, due to the time difference between the UK and California, which means progress on these issues is not as swift as anyone would like. That being said, the sooner you do this, the sooner we can work on a fix. :D

Many Thanks for your assistance in this. :thumbs:

PS. RFT, please can you either link to this post or copy it verbatim to the top post of this thread. Thanks.

[campun123]

I have the DFP on my main system with Vista sp1. I am running the logitech profiler and have had no problems at all with buttons, FF, etc.., but I have had a hard time finding the right settings for good steering. Its either way too tight or way too loose. Has anyone found good setting for the DFP? I also have the DFEX and will try that on my second computer with LAN also.

[Philippens]

Hi there,

After the suggested changes the Momo works fine, takes a bit of tweaking before handling at high speed is good. One question tough. Does anyone know how to assign functions to Momo buttons. In the options/controls screen I can only choose a Momo profile, but cannot edit it. Thx.

[Malrog]

Hi!

I followed your instructions to no avail. IT DOES NOT WORK. At least not here on my PC. Axis are borked (full throttle on) no FFB.

May I also say that your forum does not allow attchments!!! Upload Errors
momo.txt:
Exceeds forum quota by 14.9 KB.

So here is my registry export as txt file: http://www.driveway.com/a4b0z7c4c1

Here is my DXdiag:
http://www.driveway.com/a1q8k1g4z5
@Knacki99,

I've heard back from Logitech now, and they say that they managed to reproduce your problem with the same wheel that you have, and then managed to fix it using the instructions that they sent out which I posted earlier in this thread. It's very important that you follow the instructions exactly as written, so if you could do that for me, and let me know how it goes I would appreciate that. If it still doesn't work, please can I have a new version of the registry export, so we can compare it to the previous one and see what differences there are (if any).

Good luck!

[kd001]

I was literally just about to buy this game from Amazon when I read in one of the reviews about the problem with Logitech wheels. I went straight into the forums to see what was going on. I have a Formula Force Feedback Wheel. I have been readig reports about not just the FF not working but the whole wheel not working!!! Do the instructions at beginning of this thread solve this problem or are they just for FF problem? I really need to know before buying the game.

Thanks a lot.

[Knacki99]

@Knacki99,

I've heard back from Logitech now, and they say that they managed to reproduce your problem with the same wheel that you have, and then managed to fix it using the instructions that they sent out which I posted earlier in this thread. It's very important that you follow the instructions exactly as written, so if you could do that for me, and let me know how it goes I would appreciate that. If it still doesn't work, please can I have a new version of the registry export, so we can compare it to the previous one and see what differences there are (if any).

Good luck!

Malrog.

I see Logitech has updated the clear calibration tool to build 110. However I just tested under Vista 64 SP1 that after uninstallation and clear calib tool the wheel id's remain in registry! I used the 64bit version of clearcalib tool.

I suspect that the tool is buggy or does not have the necessery rights to delete the reg entries. I manually removed them and will try a last time.

Thx for the effort!!!

[NedStar]

I've tried the information from the first page with no avail.
I wasn't exactly sure which files you had to delete manually so I've just removed all of them besides OEMname and (Default). This has completely solved the problem for me and FFB is now working !

Any way here's the information I had before deleting it:

www.theicecave.net/files/momo.txt
www.theicecave.net/files/DxDiag.txt

[drukvat]

yessss this works for me to ,delete manually and leave OEMname and (Default) standing...
windows vista 32
momo racing wheel with now FFB

thnx man

[ZipherBuG]

My configuration:

Dell XPS 420 Quad Core, running Vista 32-bit SP1, danish.
Logitech Momo FF Wheel.

Now, let me mention that I have a range of racing games that I play and that works just fine with the Logitech Momo FF wheel. Need for speed, most of the games in that series are played by me daily, TDU and others - and again, works like a charm with the Momo. Newest release of NFS: Pro Street has perfect steering and control using my Momo wheel.

GRID: My wheel either does not work at all - or has all the problems people mentioned asides from the switched axis.

I have tried the solution mentioned in the top of this thread; does not work.

I have re-installed the Logitech software (newest version) BEFORE plugging in the wheel, then installed GRID, installed the Logitech software AFTER plugging in the wheel, then installed GRID, installed GRID, then the Logitech software both with and without the wheel plugged in.

Nothing works.

I am SO glad that this copy of GRID I have was a gift as I would have been SO MUCH MORE MAD if I went and spent my money on a 2008 racing game that did not support THE game controller for racing games, the Logitech Momo FF wheel. I haven't told the giver anything about this as I expect they'd be disapointed they spent money buying a non-working game for me.

Its beyond me how a professional gaming house like Codemasters can release a game like this WITHOUT testing the Momo...

I am saddened by this, all the time I have wasted trying to make this work and I am extremely dissapointed that Codemasters support tries to blame Logitech for these problems. If the Logitech software is at fault, how come Need for Speed: Pro Street works like a charm?

Please let me know when you expect to have a patch released for the game...

Kind regards,

A very disapointed GRID player. :(

[pSynrg]

For what it's worth I had the complete zero FF issue. G25, Vista x64 etc. Now 100% fixed.

Uninstall of Logitech drivers, registry hack from a few pages back (hardware id entry removal...), reinstall logitech drivers, plug in wheel, reset controller settings in GRID and it sorted the problem.

Still, poor show CM - that one shouldn't have got past QC and on top of such a beautifully presented product. Disappointing to see you pass the blame to Logitech even tho my G25 works flawlessly in every other driving game/sim I own (pretty much all of them...) Vista is not new by the way...

[Dualmonitors]

@Knacki99,

I've heard back from Logitech now, and they say that they managed to reproduce your problem with the same wheel that you have, and then managed to fix it using the instructions that they sent out which I posted earlier in this thread. It's very important that you follow the instructions exactly as written, so if you could do that for me, and let me know how it goes I would appreciate that. If it still doesn't work, please can I have a new version of the registry export, so we can compare it to the previous one and see what differences there are (if any).

Good luck!
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Mr. Malrog:

Thank you for your attention to this matter. Much appreciated. I'm sure you can sense the level of frustration and disappiontment among certain customers.

I followed your instructions PRECISELY to no avail. "...Leaving the G25 wheel plugged in, uninstall Logitech gaming software, etc......used the latest Clear Calibration tool (I think it was ...10 or something like that), re-installed Logitech's software...etc).

Nothing worked.

Curiously, with respect, may I kindly as why my many attempts to raise the steering issue, rather, the LACK of ability to control steering to the point of not able to drive effectively - unless driving at a crawl, was never acknowledged? Again, I had included this MAJOR issue (you can't drive effectively at all with this lack of steering control in this game) in my previous posts, and all focus appear to be on the lack of force feedback. Certainly, I understand that the missing force feedback is a big issue, might I add that the INABILITY TO STEER may well be an even GREATER issue? This game is un-playable with this inability to steer.

I just wanted to be sure that this inability to effectively steer in properly highlighted and duly noted so it will not be absent from the PC patch fix that is expected soon. MOST IMPORTANTLY, by reading the sticky thread posted by RFT at the top of the Tech Forum for GRID, the thread re: PC patch, i did NOT see mention of any fix for steering!! THIS is why it concerns me.

btw, i have the G25, Vista 32-bit Ultimate.

i have Private Messaged you with a zip file with 4 items in it:

Registry.txt file from yesterday, PRE-going through your instructions
Registry.txt file from today, POST-going through your instructions
DxDiag file from yesterday, PRE-going through your instructions
DxDiag file from today, POST-going through your instructions

all files are named obviously via "YYYYMMDD" and type of file.

Thank you for your attention to these matters and glad you and Mr. RFT are paying close attention to our issues and working closely with us.

[Purple44]

I got my GRID full version for the PC today and went to install in my Vista 64 and after updating MOMO drivers, SB X-Fi drivers and my Nvidia video drivers, then after tweaking the settings in GRID, go to race first race and MOMO wheel has no Force Feedback at all!! :(

So I came here and try the things posted here about using WingMan Clear Calibration Utility ( I downloaded the Vista version ) and still no go with FF in GRID.

So decided to try the Manual editing of registry ( did a new restore point before I tweak registry ). Before I try this I did a test. I open the registry and found the MOMO wheel listing ( pic below ), then close regedit and ran WingMan Clear Calibration Utility, got an error about not being able to read joystick folder and then open registry again and check to see if MOMO wheel was still listed under Joystick>OEM and it was.

http://www.flatoutjoint.com/downloads/purple44/GRID/MOMO-registry-800.jpg

So then I manually deleted the VID folder that had MOMO wheel settings, exit regedit program, restarted computer and recheck to see if MOMO wheel listing was still gone, it was. Then reinstalled Logitech Profiler for Vista ( 5.02 64-bit ) and then started GRID and check the controller settings to make sure Force Feedback was set to ON, started a race and had FF. :)

Since Logitech utility is not deleting the MOMO listing in the registry, is there anybody here that can write a simple program to delete the MOMO listing and anybody here have pic of the G25 listing in registry?

MOMO wheel works fine in Flatout 2 under Vista 64-bit, so why GRID having this problem with MOMO wheel under Vista?

I also dual boot to XP and had no problems with the Force Feedback with the GRID demo.

[Malrog]

Its beyond me how a professional gaming house like Codemasters can release a game like this WITHOUT testing the Momo...We did test with the Momo wheel, and the G25, and all other wheels that we are supporting, and found it to work with them all. There are people out there now with the game running on Vista, with a Logitech wheel and not having any problems whatsoever. It is unfortunate that there are problems, but we are trying to solve them.Please let me know when you expect to have a patch released for the game...Here is the patch list.

On there, you'll see "Fix for missing Force feedback on Vista." So we aren't "blaming Logitech" for the lack of FFB. The fact that Logitech's supplied utility doesn't fix the behaviour as advertised is out of our control, but we are working very closely with them to try and discover why that should be the case. Logitech have provided some extra information on what the utility is supposed to do, which might help people understand where things aren't working:Let's suppose the user has a MOMO Racing wheel that doesn't have force feedback on Vista. The wheel's product ID is CA03. For other wheels, the explanations below apply just the same, except for the product ID.

- If force feedback doesn't work, the user's HKCU (HKEY_CURRENT_USER) OEMData is wrong, because it doesn't start with 4 (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03).
- this means his HKLM (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE) is likely wrong too, because that's where Vista copied it from into HKCU (or at least it was wrong when it was copied) (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\ VID_046D&PID_CA03).
- if the user uninstalls the Logitech Gaming Software and runs ClrCalib version 5.03.109 or newer, all Logitech HKCU keys will be removed, but the HKLM key will still be wrong.
- if the user uses an older version of ClrCalib, the HKCU keys will not get removed, and therefore will stay wrong, even if the HKLM keys get fixed (Vista copies the keys over in case they don't exist in HKCU, or just leaves them in case they already exist, even if they don't match HKLM).
- the HKLM OEMData gets fixed when the Logitech Gaming Software is installed and the Calibration part goes through with the wheel plugged in. If at that time the wheel is not plugged in, or the user cancels out, the HKLM key will not get fixed.
- the first time the wheel gets used by the system (which happens at the end of the install if wheel plugged in and not cancelled out), the correct key is copied over into HKCU.If that helps people understand what's happening, then that's great. :D
Please remember however, that messing with the registry can have serious consequences, so make sure you back up the registry keys that you're editing beforehand, and do a system restore point to be on the safe side aswell.

[Knacki99]

After manually deleting the keys. FFB works now. This clearly shows that the calib tool from Logitech is NOT working and doing what it is supposed to do at least on Vista x64 SP1.

I want to thank Malrog for the effort he put in helping me solving the case. That's rare these days!!!

So I'm off to try the game now.

[Malrog]

@Knacki99:
That's good news, glad I was of some help!! :)

[ZipherBuG]

First of all, thank you for your response.

That said;

We did test with the Momo wheel, and the G25, and all other wheels that we are supporting, and found it to work with them all. There are people out there now with the game running on Vista, with a Logitech wheel and not having any problems whatsoever.

Well good for them, problem is that this is not the case for a LOT of people.

In reference to your "testing" - remember that a test of a game on a newly installed image of Vista or XP is NEVER the same as a test on a system that has been running for some time and that has a lot of different games installed.

And what still mystifies me is that I have searched the Need for Speed: Pro Street forums over at EA, google'd that game and the NFS series in general, TDU and a few more games - getting almost NO hits adressing problems with the MOMO or other game controllers - no way near the problems we are having here. You have to agree that this can only lead to the conclusion that YOU haven't done your coding well enough before releasing the game.

And as a last note: even if I get this to work - I am in NO WAY satisfied that in order to get my game controller working with a game that is not cheap I have to mess around in my registry...geez c'mon.

I shall now try and find the time to do a complete re-install of the wheel, game and whatever I need to get my wheel working with FF in GRID but I still think you really bummed out here. It is sad that poor testing or premature release ruins an otherwise epic racing game like this.

Thanks for all your hard work on GRID, but just try and get the last % included in your next release.

Kind regards,

Zipherbug.

[Dualmonitors]

" The fact that Logitech's supplied utility doesn't fix the behaviour as advertised is out of our control, but we are working very closely with them to try and discover why that should be the case. Logitech have provided some extra information on what the utility is supposed to do, which might help people understand where things aren't working:

Quote: Originally Posted by Logitech

Let's suppose the user has a MOMO Racing wheel that doesn't have force feedback on Vista. The wheel's product ID is CA03. For other wheels, the explanations below apply just the same, except for the product ID.

- If force feedback doesn't work, the user's HKCU (HKEY_CURRENT_USER) OEMData is wrong, because it doesn't start with 4 (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03).

- this means his HKLM (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE) is likely wrong too, because that's where Vista copied it from into HKCU (or at least it was wrong when it was copied) (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\ VID_046D&PID_CA03).
- if the user uninstalls the Logitech Gaming Software and runs ClrCalib version 5.03.109 or newer, all Logitech HKCU keys will be removed, but the HKLM key will still be wrong.

- if the user uses an older version of ClrCalib, the HKCU keys will not get removed, and therefore will stay wrong, even if the HKLM keys get fixed (Vista copies the keys over in case they don't exist in HKCU, or just leaves them in case they already exist, even if they don't match HKLM).

- the HKLM OEMData gets fixed when the Logitech Gaming Software is installed and the Calibration part goes through with the wheel plugged in. If at that time the wheel is not plugged in, or the user cancels out, the HKLM key will not get fixed.

- the first time the wheel gets used by the system (which happens at the end of the install if wheel plugged in and not cancelled out), the correct key is copied over into HKCU.
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To Mr. Malrog, et al.

Glad to hear that the work is being continued with Logitech to fix this THOROUGHLY. I'm not inclined to perform any interim "fixes". I'm much more leaning towards an officially blessed, issued "Fix" that is officially issued by Codemasters/Logitech.

As a newbie gamer, I purchase a G25 last week, and also placed a pre-order for GRID for a $5 deposit. My G25 was purchased in anticipation of the GRID release because it did appear to be a class-leading, current, modern racing game.

I did not realize that so much work was needed!

again, i wish to acknowledge Mr. Malrog's effort and excellent communication with me and others.

frankly, it is Logitech that i'm not pleased with as their point man on this is out until next Tuesday. What? with a company of that scale, they are going to ignore us till next tuesday? i supposed when you've cornered the market in mice/keyboards/wheels, you can do so. frequently, when a company does that, they begin to decline and another company, sort of the "hey, we're Avis, we're #2, we gotta be better!" idea.

thank you Malrog.

[millAh]

Hi everyone!

I've been searching around the net, to find a solution to my problem. Grid just doesn't seem to recognize my wheel (Logitech Formula Force GP - I know it's old, but it works with all of the other racing games). I've been using Windows XP 32bit and everytime I start GRID (which is truely an awesome game hehe) my wheel just 'turns off', the FFB is off and neither the wheel nor the pedals are working in the game.

I've read the solution here and tryed it (uninstall, unplug, cleancalib, reinstall, plug when asked, calibrate) but it just keeps doing the same thing: nothing. I'm a bit frustrated right now, so if anyone have any solutions (wheels don't work in XP with Grid; Logitech Formula Force GP is too old for Grid or anything like this), please reply my post!

Thanks in advance!


millAh

[Purple44]

We shouldn't have to use a utility to get MOMO wheel to work properly with GRID when all other racing games under Vista seem to work just fine.

So the problem seem to be with GRID.

But Logitech did make things worse with releasing WingMan Clear Calibration Utility for Vista that doesn't work. We are spinning are wheels trying to use this utility to fix the problem, then find out we have to do it ourself, manually tweak the registry.

[Sgt.Taz]

Ok using Vista 64bit and have steering issues more than ff. I can't get the Logitech MoMo to work with the game properly. It worked fine in the demo after making a small adjustment. The issue is more control than not working at all. The car will turn if I move the wheel extreme left or right which is unplayable and frustraiting at best. I've tried all the fixes and registry adjustments and still no fix??? I'm loosing my mind trying every fix in different orders ect. At this point just getting it to respond like it is suppost to would be far more important than ff! Any help is appreciated!!

[Malrog]

Hi Sgt.Taz
First check that you don't have a deadzone set on the wheel. Next, try reducing the linearity to see if that makes the wheel more responsive. I noticed you said "just getting it to respond like it is suppost to would be far more important than ff!". Does that mean that you don't have FFB at the moment with that wheel?

If you can attach a DxDiag and your registry data for the key as requested in the first post, that would be great, thanks.

[ZipherBuG]

Ok, Codemasters, time to take a look at yourself...

I ended up doing as quoted below.

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Unplug the wheel from the USB Socket on the PC.

3) Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software (LGS)

4) Run regedit

5) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

6) Re-install the LGS, making sure you correctly follow the prompts regarding plugging the wheel in. (as in “don’t plug it in till it tells you to”)

This, actually, made my wheel work in GRID and have FF.

BUT - and there's a BIG BUT;

Now, when I am in the menus, my Momo wheel is shaking, turning and shaking. How can that be? There should be no code telling my game controller that I am driving when in the main menus of the game? This can only mean one thing: your game controller and FF code is buggy as darn! When I drive, about half of the times the wheel works so so, the rest I either have no pedals, no buttons or no steering. The force feed is very inaccurate and the wheel is twitching unrealisticly much even when the car is at a full stop or wrecked...

WHEN the wheel works (and I just spent 2 hours playing with the ingame settings) the reaction and function of the wheel and the FF - well to say it as it is - SUCKS.

I, for the argument, just tried the wheel in:

- Need For Speed: Pro Street: Worked fine.
- Need For Speed: Most wanted: Worked fine.
- Testdrive Unlimited: Worked fine.

Which leads me to believe that you have A LOT of bugs to iron out when it comes to control by wheel (and probably other controllers as well) and the face that you can't POSSIBLY have tested the game well enough with the Momo - or other wheels for that matter.

I REALLY hope you will fix these issues in the coming patch, otherwise you have just lost a customer and I shall do my best to spread the knowledge of just how much your GRID sucks with the Momo and other game controllers.

Jeebus - try and get a copy of NFS: Pro Street and try the steering, handling and FF in that game and learn from it - too bad that you wreck a game that otherwise looked promising by having poor support for THE game controllers that are a NATURAL choice for racing games and gamers.

Kind regards,

Still a very dissapointed GRID customer,

Zipherbug :(

[ZipherBuG]

Hi Sgt.Taz
First check that you don't have a deadzone set on the wheel. Next, try reducing the linearity to see if that makes the wheel more responsive. I noticed you said "just getting it to respond like it is suppost to would be far more important than ff!". Does that mean that you don't have FFB at the moment with that wheel?

If you can attach a DxDiag and your registry data for the key as requested in the first post, that would be great, thanks.

Getting mainstream game controllers to WORK in a game should NOT be a science nor should it require all this tweaking...

If you ARE having this much problems with the controller code, look into it, ask us all for whatever debug info you want, just get it fixed, for christs sake!

Kind regards,

Zipherbug.

[ZipherBuG]

Another quick bug-report.

For instance, right now, went into the game.

Start a race.

Pedals work
Buttons work
Shifter works
Steering left and right does NOT work.

I go to the menu, controller setup, custom controller.

I redefine left and right - when I turn my wheel, the game registers this as left / right axis.

I exit the setup menu.

Start a race.

Pedals work
Buttons work
Shifter works
Steering left and right does NOT work.

I exit the game.

I start NFS: Pro Street.

I start a race.

No problems.

DO NOT TELL ME THIS IS MY CONTROLLER OR LOGITECH OR VISTA's fault.

Your code is buggy - deal with it.

Kind regards,

Zipherbug :(

[Sgt.Taz]

Ok,thanks for the quick response but I think I solved my problem. my solution was to disable the profiler from logitech and then enter the controls in the custom setting manually (Ie: I went to custom, hit edit and then pressed enter moved the direction or pressed the button that corresponded with my momo)
So far aside from my lack of skill at this point ;) it appears to be working with ff also. I still have to make minor tweaks but the response is not like driving drunk anymore ;) (not that I'd know :0 )
as far as the frustration goes I know how it is, but attacking the guys who try to help will not get your problem solved. sit back and relax a little guys I've had buggier games umm (BF2142, FFOW, BF2 ) it takes time and your input so the patches get out and fix the issues. I've become a guru of code, drivers and many other computer related issues just by trying to play games on a PC instead of a console system ***lmao***

[pingu666]

hey purple, i got a g25 and i followed what u did and it worked :D
curiously i had two wheels listed in the registry, so i killed em both ;)

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//g25reg1.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//g25reg2.jpg

its deffinatly more fun and easier with the Force feedback, before i had hardly any feel for the cars at all :(

hope it helps u guys, and thanks for the orginal post purple :)

[Purple44]

Ya MOMO wheel without FF, made it imposssible to control the cars with assists turn OFF.

[CDJay]

I bought a G25 today, to use w/ Grid, and have run into a few of the issues listed.

I did as specified, and initiated the install for the software, then connected when asked.

At default settings ( IE leaving Logitech Profiler as is, and loading Grid ) the G25 was detected but in a race just reversed constantly at full speed. Pressing the clutch pedal would stop it, and drive forward a bit. No force feedback.

Changing to a custom set up in Grid gets everything working as intended, but still no FF.

If anyone has any really simple obvious ways to rectify I will do so, but I'm leaning towards just waiting for the next release of logitech software + the Grid patch before attempting again.

I still love Grid! ;)

( I'd like to see Clutch support implemented if at all possible, just for feature complete sake hehe )

CDJay

[Purple44]

To get FF back will have to do registry tweak or wait for Logitech to release utility that works under Vista or wait for Codemasters to release patch that fixes the problem GRID having with the wheels, then won't need WingMan Clear Calibration Utility for Vista until your gas pedal stop giving you full throttle, then you will need the WingMan Clear Calibration Utility to fix this problem.

Over at Flatout Joint, Heddly was the one who found Logitech Clear Calibration Utility ( XP version ) to fix gas pedal problem with MOMO wheels. I've had to run it twice now to get full throttle back for my MOMO wheels.

Logitech Clear Calibration Utility (http://flatoutjoint.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=535.0 )

[CDJay]

This worked for me, too! :D

( the logitech utility method had no effect, editing the registry manually appears to be a far more reliable solution for the moment )

So.... what's everyone's ideal settings now it's working? Would you recommend "enabling centring spring in force feedback games" being ticked? Anything else I should be doing to edge closer towards optimal?

Cheers!

This finaly works for me:

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Unplug the wheel from the USB Socket on the PC.

3) Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software (LGS)

4) Run regedit

5) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

6) Re-install the LGS, making sure you correctly follow the prompts regarding plugging the wheel in. (as in “don’t plug it in till it tells you to”)

[Crowsy]

not sure if this is the right place to post but I have the Logitech force Ex and I use it on the PS3 and I can't set up at all. If it is left on default the cars behave like they are on Ice, the steering is always all over the place with no control. Is their a setup or anything I could try?

[Fizzy001]

Well, I've done pretty much everything this post suggested.. I do get my force feedback to work (Logitech Wingman FF), but it handles like a school bus> I've trid playing with the FF settings, but to little avail.. Just handles really poorly..even worse online..seems to be more lag.. What do you ppl have your force feedback settings at to give you a tight control?

My system specs:
OS: WinXP SP 2
MoBo.: AMD64 AM2 ASUS CROSSHAIR NF590 PCIE
CPU: AMD ATHLON64 X2 5200+ 2.60G/2000/2M/AM2
Ram: 4 GB KINGSTON HYPERX 800MHZ DDR2
Graphics Card: LEADTEK PCIE GF8 PX8800GTS 320M
Hard Drive: (For Applications/Games: 2 X SATA2 250.0 SEAGATE 7200.10 16M in RAID array Striped 0
Hard Drive: (For OS only) Sata Western Digital Raptor 36 GB
Sound Card: Creative Labs Soundblaster X-Fi Extreme

[KartAce]

not sure if this is the right place to post but I have the Logitech force Ex and I use it on the PS3 and I can't set up at all. If it is left on default the cars behave like they are on Ice, the steering is always all over the place with no control. Is their a setup or anything I could try?


Not sure if it's the same on the PS3 but I found the cars handled like that on the PC version until I turned off brake and stability assist.

[Dualmonitors]

Dear All:

With the immense help of a US computer guru, I parroted what he told me to do step by step and implemented the following. It appears to be successful and I only say "appears" because I'm such a newbie at this game that i do not fully know what it OUGHT to feel like in many instances.

Thank you, Mr. PC Guru, even though he does not tend to read this particular forum.

Wanted to update you all with the results after following the steps/instructions as suggested by Mr. Malrog.

(1) Manually deleted the following registry keys and subkeys:

a) HKCU/System/CurrentControlSet/Control/MediaProperties/PrivateProperties/Joystick/OEM/VID_046D&PID_C294

b) HKCU/System/CurrentControlSet/Control/MediaProperties/PrivateProperties/Joystick/OEM/VID_046D&PID_C299

c) HKLM/System/CurrentControlSet/Control/MediaProperties/PrivateProperties/Joystick/OEM/VID_046D&PID_C294

d) HKLM/System/CurrentControlSet/Control/MediaProperties/PrivateProperties/Joystick/OEM/VID_046D&PID_C299


(2) Uninstalled the Logitech Profiler and MANUALLY deleted LEFTOVER folders, those were in:

a) C:\ProgramFiles\Logitech\Game...

b) C:\ProgramFiles\Common\Logitech\Game...

c) C:\ProgramDate\Logitech\Game...

d) C:\Users\<USERNAME>\AppData\Local\Logitech\Game...


(3) Used Device Manager to UNINSTALL the Logitech G25 under HID

(4) Re-Downloaded the current Logitech Gaming Software, installed it, UNPLUGGED and REPLUGGED the G25 USB cable when prompted to plug it in.

(5) Followed through with calibration testing.

=======================================
NOTE: Afterwards, we noticed a problem with centering. To correct it, the steps were:

- reset the degrees of rotation to default (200 degrees)

- unplugged the USB cable for G25, MANUALLY centered the wheel, re-plugged the USB and LET THE AUTO calibration finish.
=======================================

Then after all that, launched the game, Force Feedback and axes were working properly (it seems so for a total newbie), however, the steering wheel (in 900 degree rotation) has approximately a 60 degree (from around 11 to 1 o'clock) deadzone even though GRID's deadzone slider is set to 0 percent!! Rendering driving and any adjustments while steering VERY difficult. (Note: Linearity = 0; Saturation = 100%; Deadzone = 0) All 3 Effects Strengths are all at 100% (REQUEST: ANY SUGGESTIONS RE: these settings to improve controllability will be most appreciated)

Thank you very much!

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FYI: Vista 32-bit Ultimate, 8800GTS

[Zenki]

I purchased GRID after reading in a preview that Codemasters would be supporting the Logitech G25 steering wheel, how I wish I saw this thread before making that purchase.

As it seems with all G25/Vista users (mods can say what they will but it would look as if this combination is the crux of the problem) I too have no FFB and as soon as the race starts I slam full on into reverse. Having gone through both the posted help and also manually performing a regedit I can safely say the problem still persists.

While I do appreciate the response given thus far that work is being performed to remedy this I have to agree with other posters that this type of issue is inexcusable. Considering the system requirements for the game are not all that great a range the answer that PC are a complicated beast does not hold water with myself. As has been stated we the user base for PC generally are playing this game on high end machines not unlike what I would expect a reviewer or QA team would use. My specs are as follows

Q6700 2.66GHz
4GB OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 (2x2GB)
Nvidia 8800GTS 320MB
Logitech G25
Logitech G-15
Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 (fully update as of June 08/08)
(the rest of hardware should have little effect on this issue)

Taking into consideration that this setup is not exotic or rare I would expect prior to release of a game that QA would have access to a profile such as this. This seems all to much how things are going in the gaming industry, get it to market asap and worry about the issues later once we have made our profits. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth as a avid PC gamer who has no intention or interest in owning a console.

As was also stated by other users this problems does not seem to happen with any other companies to this degree. I bought Dirt and still to this day have not reinstalled it due to the terrible experience with my G25. This wheel is a joy to use and works with many other games I have played on my PC with Vista. So rather then pull the wool over our eyes I would ask that a fix be presented in a prompt manner. We may only make up a small percentage of your total market but by purchasing premium products such as the G25 we wish to have as close to a real experience as possible. At this point I am forced to use my Saitek gamepad as a keyboard is the least enjoyable method of controlling a car.

In the future I will be careful to view the Codemaster forums prior to spending my hard earned money on their products if this is how they are delivered. The purposed patch also only addresses the FFB issue and not the axis issue. Read the posts provided here many users are showing via manual setup their axis work. I tested this out and found the default axis shown for the G25 are different then what is displayed if I manually set them up so this to me shows the default settings are incorrect.

[Purple44]

I have All 3 Effects Strengths for my MOMO wheel set at 80% did not like 100%.

If your car drive pretty straight, then Linearity is set well. At 4, I had hard time keeping car going straight, leaving deadzone at 0 and bumping Linearity to 5 made a big different for me.

I've seen people post Linearity settings from 0 to 9, so use what ever number get your car to drive pretty straight.

[Campetin]

Hi. I have a Logitech Formula Vibration Feedback Wheel http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/g...es/298&cl=gb,en, and it´s not working on Grid, it doesn't detect it. I can´t activate it on the game's menu or anything. I also tried the instructions that Codemasters has posted to solve other wheels' problems, but nothing, it doens't work.
The wheel worked fine on C.M. Dirt and Need for Speed Pro Street

I don't know if it's important, but I bought and play the game through Steam.
My pc's spec:
Windows Xp sp2
Pentium 4 3.4 ghz HT
2 Gb Ram
8600 GT 256 MB
Latest Logitech drivers.

Can anyone help me please?
Thanks.

[XLR8TR]

Q6700 2.66GHz
4GB OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 (2x2GB)
Nvidia 8800GTS 320MB
Logitech G25
Logitech G-15
Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 (fully update as of June 08/08)
(the rest of hardware should have little effect on this issue)

Unplug the G25 and the G-15, restart Windows. DO NOT PLUG IN G-15, only the G25, let auto detect run, in Wingman software check that all wheel functions work, make sure combined pedals is unchecked,...restart Windows, auto calibrate should cycle wheel right and left and back to centre,...try wheel.

[madmos5y]

Finally managed to get my G25 working with Vista 64, took me hours of messing about, I finally solved it by deleting all entries in my registry that correspond to USB devices including keyboard and mouse devices also un-installed them from device manager, rebooted the system and let windows find them all again.

I now have GRID working with my g25 using custom config so i can use the H-shifter in sequencial mode for gears.

[Zenki]

Unplug the G25 and the G-15, restart Windows. DO NOT PLUG IN G-15, only the G25, let auto detect run, in Wingman software check that all wheel functions work, make sure combined pedals is unchecked,...restart Windows, auto calibrate should cycle wheel right and left and back to centre,...try wheel.

Thanks for the idea I followed the steps as you had mentioned and made sure the combined pedal was not checked. The issue with the G25 still persists without improvement, I will attempt when I am back home this evening to try different settings and see if there is any change.

To be honest though I am likely to just purchase a copy of Windows XP Pro OEM and leave Vista behind. No companies are jumping hard on the DX10 and I would prefer to just have a solid platform to run on. This PC is only used for gaming so I wont miss the fancy ui effects.

[kaktuz]

i have logitech momo racing wheel and grid doesn't even recognize it. i have tried some of those tricks, even that what is in the first post. is this normal?
logitech chillstream (xbox360 controller looking controller) works perfectly

e: working now

[DiNaMiTe]

i have logitech momo racing wheel and grid doesn't even recognize it. i have tried some of those tricks, even that what is in the first post. is this normal?
logitech chillstream (xbox360 controller looking controller) works perfectly
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287253

[SCAVENGER1]

well i have the logitech momo wheels and pedals w/force feed back. and i tried what was said to do from post #1. it did help but not enough. i have wingman set to 150% for all. and in game it is set to 100% for force feed back. also why did the dev's did not put in the adjustments for the car like some of the other race sims that are out. but this one has basically no adjustment that mean diddly!!


this is even worse then what NFS Carbon was and that game was a POS. and this Grid only beats that 1 by the shear gfx only. i have been trying to finish this 4th race for the last wk or so. and i have only manage to finish 1 1/2 laps before the car became so trash.

it will be like steering good and then all of a sudden it will either fish tail or just won't turn the way you want it to. it boggles the mind why these dev did not put setting for us player to adjust the car so we can get it to work. but i guess those devs did not care .

after spending a wk on just one 1 track and NOT being able to finish it. i am going to take this POS game back and get my hard earn money back. since this game has no adjustment for the player to adjust. and the cars are just to dam hard to keep control of.

codemaster thanks for killing a could have been the best race sim of all time, even better then dirt.

[KartAce]

it will be like steering good and then all of a sudden it will either fish tail or just won't turn the way you want it to.

Sounds like you hit something and damaged the car.

I think a lot of the problems are down to individuals. I can drive no problem at all but my son (who is 25) struggles like crazy to keep the car in a straight line and get out of corners.

Try, as in real car racing, having a very light grip on the wheel. A lot of novice real racers hold on to the wheel with a death grip which makes it hard to control. Also you should sit a lot closer to the wheel than you would in a road car.

[t1g3rm4n]

Hi i have problems with my LOGITECH WINGMAN FORMULA FORCE USB.

I'm not talking about the lack of FF, it will probably doesn't works because my wheel is not officially supported anymore by Logitech, so in Win Vista i can only plug in and use satandard windows drivers, anyway it recognizes it and it seems it works: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/845/wheeluz2.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheeluz2.jpg)

i've created an Actiomap preset woth that name but it seems it doesn't works, GRiD doesn't recognize it:

http://rapidshare.com/files/122835670/actionMapPreset3.xml.html

I've used the same provcedure for my PSX xontroller and it works so i cannot understand why it does not with my wheel.

Any clue? then i will look for force feedback, but first of all i would like to try playing with my wheel, even without force feedback!
Thanks ofr reading.

Anyway i've tried also in WinXP when i'm using Wingman software 4.6, that is the latest supported for my wheel, anyway same results, it does not recognize it, please help!

[SCAVENGER1]

Sounds like you hit something and damaged the car.

I think a lot of the problems are down to individuals. I can drive no problem at all but my son (who is 25) struggles like crazy to keep the car in a straight line and get out of corners.

Try, as in real car racing, having a very light grip on the wheel. A lot of novice real racers hold on to the wheel with a death grip which makes it hard to control. Also you should sit a lot closer to the wheel than you would in a road car.
well i play NFS MW and NFS PS and with the same wheel and setting it does not fish tail all over the place . and there cars don't go were they feel like it. like GRID does, but those other sim i can at least set the car a little so it can handle better. but GRID there is no such thing.

only the very few settings which seem to have no real effect. even though i have mess with them a lot to find that they are junk for settings. and this is before the car has any visible damage to it that this happens. and when it does show damage it is even worse then before.

but they need to let player the ability to adjust the car ride to there preference. i just wish they had GT for pc that is the only game that massive adjustments for the cars. wish other car sims makers would do that.

but still since GRID has no other adjustments for the car . here is what they call adjustments, there needs to be a lot more then this IMHO :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-54-01.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-54-01-1.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-48-03.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-48-03-1.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-35-42.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-02-35-42-1.jpg)

and this is the race i have been trying to finish for the last 1 1/2 weeks now
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-05-55-34.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/SCAVENGER1/GRID2008-06-1812-05-55-34-1.jpg)

[Chris123]

I use a logitech momo wheel on my vista 32 pc, and I just can't control the wheel properly it doesn't respond to my command, can't running in a streat line. I just download the patch 1.1 but I wonder if it's fix the issue.

[OnBoard]

SCAVENGER1: try my settings
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4140921&postcount=134

And I'd suggest you start driving for your own team, forget those driver offers and supercars. There are a lot of better to drive cars in the game and you get so little respect from those races that it's not worth it. I've driven 4 of them and won't do more until career mode is finished. Money is no problem in the game, once you get a team good team mate it just keeps on coming.

[KartAce]

SCAVENGER1:

Apart from the saturation and lin settings (85 and 4) I set everything else in the latest Logitech controller software. 150% on everything apart from effects which I have at 125%.

Personally I'd turn stability control off, it makes the handling worse not better IMO.

[SCAVENGER1]

well i have tried different settings. even tried with the Driver Assistance and turn them off. it was way way worse with those settings. i got left at the start line when i tried that. car just sat there and roasted the tires.

i do have the wingman settings and they are all on 150% with the center spring enabled. i just got done retrying every thing that has been mention in these forum. but still the FFB with my MOMO in game is still bad. when i mean bad i mean they feel not as strong as they should be.

i have read here that some get the erratic steering, when out of now were the car veers left or right for no reason . and i also have read that GRID is basically putting the blame on Logitech for the short coming for the game with many of Logitech wheels.

that i do not under stand why they would do that. when A, these wheels have been out longer then the game probably has been just a thought. but still i would like to know why GRID does not have ant kind of True car adjustments like some of the other well known racing sims that are out, past or present.

this game would really have gone to top of the pile if it had some or better yet all of the car adjustment that a true race sim would or should have for in game tuning . like NFS Underground it even had a dyno to try your new setting on.

well if Logitech is making a new driver for us Logitech user, when will it be out? and will it fix or help the Grid team fix what is wrong with it?

[SCAVENGER1]

i forgot i also have that lag between my wheel and the ingame wheel. beside when i do play a race sim i all ways use the bumper cam. it tens to help to keep the car tight and not so loose. loose as the car is like on a street of ice! that kind of loose. even with the use of the bumper cam for driving it is still loose.

before i forget this, i can not do a calibration at all. since it does not show up any were. also the tool app it tells me there is no such file so it does nothing. i do have XP 64bit SP2. well my specs of my pc is in my sig.

also like i said in my previous post i have tried every thing that is in this thread and the other thread similar to this thread.

[KartAce]

What frame rate are you getting? The handling will be dodgy if the PC is spending too much time processing graphics.

I find anything under about 35fps messes up the handling and 40fps is about right for me. On my system I run at 1920x1200, 4msaa and high settings with mirrors/wind off.

[SCAVENGER1]

well i average between 50 to 60fps , i do have via nvidia control panel i have AA and AF set to 16x . i also tried that prefetch via nvidia control panel from 3 to a 1 . still have the same thing going on. and my res is 1680 x 1050 60hz .

i tried some thing last night, for well over 4 hrs worth. still same old BS i turn my wheel then the car turns and so forth. but also get that out of no were the car decide to turn or when i am at high speeds the car will start to float down the road. which does not help matter at all.

i think the cars are set to have very little wing down force, and if we had the ability to adjust are cars set up i could fix that. but this game does not have that at all. it is very frustrating to try and race, let alone win it. when the car does not want to do what you want it to do.

don't get me wrong i do like the game. just that it is not finished yet or some thing. if code master could make a patch that will provide us with the ability to adjust our cars the way we want it to be. a lot of these problem could up and disappear.

i know i am dreaming if that could really happen

[Purple44]

I use a logitech momo wheel on my vista 32 pc, and I just can't control the wheel properly it doesn't respond to my command, can't running in a streat line. I just download the patch 1.1 but I wonder if it's fix the issue.

Have you try adjusting LINEARITY? I have MOMO and set at defualt 4, could not drive car straight, bumping LINEARITY to 5 made big difference.

Give this post a read, between the 3 setups posted for MOMO wheel, maybe you will find something that feels right for you:

momo wheel settings .what are yours ? (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289440 )

And you do have Force Feedback working under Vista, if not need to fix that problem first?

[SCAVENGER1]

well Purple i posted my settings in that thread you have a link of. which has my new settings that took me a long time to figure out. now it works good, well good enough till they fix it.

[dersan]

Hi,

I must say I'm a little lost after reading this 132 posts...
Yesterday I bought RD: Grid & Logitech Momo Racing FF Wheel.
I installed it properly - but as U can imagine - no FF in the game.

And I started reading this thread about problems with FF in Logitech wheels.
So I download patch 1.1 - didn't helped.
I uninstalled gaming software, used clear calibration tool from logitech, reinstalled gaming software - didn't helped.
I cleared registry manually with ideas from this thread - still didn't worked.

So I'm very sad with this situation and don't know exactly what to do next...
And I don't know where we are now.

So I have a question to Vista 64bSP1 users - did you managed to get ff to work somehow in grid?
We still wait for solution? Or the solution has been found ???

best regards

[Budo7]

Problem that I am having is when I unplug my wheel, and then plug it back in again all my settings are gone, and the game only "sees" the pedals. Any ideas?

[Purple44]

So I have a question to Vista 64bSP1 users - did you managed to get ff to work somehow in grid?
We still wait for solution? Or the solution has been found ???


In post #89 link (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4104975#post4104975 ) I posted what I did to get FF to work with stock GRID and Vista 64-bit with SP1.

But it was posted by Malrog that the v1.1 patch was suppose to fix this problem so you do not have to do registry tweak if install patch.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple44
Malrog, was this problem with FF not working under Vista and stock install of GRID fix with the patch or is it still an issue when doing first time install under Vista?

It should be fixed in the patch.

And you did download Momo-Vista-lgs502_x64.exe file?


Malrog, is just installing the v1.1 patch enough to fix GRID so FF will work with MOMO wheel or do you need to start fresh by uninstalling Logitech profile program and GRID?

[Malrog]

The patch should be all you need for FFB to work. If it's not working after that, you might need to check that the patch has installed properly.

To do this, you can right-click on the executable and select properties, then choose the Version tab, and the file version should be 1.1.0.0.

If it's not, then the patch has probably installed itself in the wrong place. This has been reported by some people, and we're looking into it. The best workaround at the moment for this is to re-install the game into the default directory, and then patch it again and it should be applied correctly then.

Thanks.

[keyth]

These i my experiences so far:

I spoke to a CM technical bod who told me not to use the logitech profiler software when using the G25 wheel, the game should recognise the wheel as a preset, ( which it doesn't for me ) would like to know why this works for some and not others, I can set up an in game profile ok and can adjust everything apart from the FFB , To start with the preset FFB ( what you get when you first plug the wheel into a usb port and it rotates and centres itself) was good but now the feedback is quite weak until the wheel is turned over half way in eather direction where it gets a better, The wheel is recognised ok in XP pro under game controllers but isn't named in divice manager, could there be any conflict caused when using a G15 keyboard and the downloaded windows driver that makes the xbox 360 contoller work? , As far as gameplay goes i have 2 to 3 lockups/freezes evey hour that mostly happen in multiplayer and the game crashes on exit but only when using the G25 wheel

[dersan]

Ok - it started to work :)
Maybe he needed restart after patching? :)

[stressedpetrolhead]

I've done everything that I can think of to be able to use my momo racing force wheel, and the logitech software can't pick it up so that it can be calibrated. I've deleted logitech software, cleaned my registry out, re-installed the software, re-connected my wheel and still nothing! Its plugged into a a full-functioning USB port, usb and power cable is connected properly. I can use my xbox 360 wireless controller no problem. The other problem I have is that my pc freezes after about 10 minutes of playing the game and I have to shut it down. I'm using a nvidia 8600gt graphics card, 4gb OCZ memory, vista 64bit ultimate and a AMD 6000+ dual core processor with a m57SLI-s4 motherboard. This is plenty for it to run on.

Re-installed lgs and windows also found the momo but yep theres a but, it couldn't install hardware because - INF file was written for windows 95 or later???????? WTF!

[Dieter]

My G25 wheel is set in reverse at the start of each game. I can not get it out of there. It is terrible. If I press a button om my wheel it goes into fist and second, but stays there. I do not go fast. when I let go of the button, the car goes backwards full speed again. I have Installed the newest drivers of logitech, have installed patch 1.1 of GRID. Nothing helps. The wheel does work perfect with all my other car games.... that is the solution?

dieter@spillebeen.net

[XLR8TR]

My G25 wheel is set in reverse at the start of each game. I can not get it out of there. It is terrible. If I press a button om my wheel it goes into fist and second, but stays there. I do not go fast. when I let go of the button, the car goes backwards full speed again. I have Installed the newest drivers of logitech, have installed patch 1.1 of GRID. Nothing helps. The wheel does work perfect with all my other car games.... that is the solution?

dieter@spillebeen.net
Ensure that combined pedals is NOT CHECKED in the wingman Profile software.

[Purple44]

Dieter, are you dual booting between XP and Vista?

I find when I change OSs, my MOMO get mess up and want to go in reverse with GIRD in Vista and Flatout 2 when change to XP.

Have to quit game and then unplug MOMO from computer and plug USB cable back in and let OS recognize MOMO wheel again. Then things are back to normal!

[DarksideGTI]

I have a Logitech G25 and FF works fine for me. But the accelerator pedal doesn't work very well. The game starts out ok, but then the accelerator starts acting up. I can have the pedal all the way down and it is barely even revving and then all of the sudden the revs shoot up and it will shift to 2nd gear, but then it barely moves in 2nd gear. I just got the wheel yesterday and it works flawlessly in GTR2 and Dirt, but not Grid.

[prospeedy]

I have Logitech driving Force EX.

Anyone using it and Which is the best setting for it...

thanks for sharing

[Purple44]

I have a Logitech G25 and FF works fine for me. But the accelerator pedal doesn't work very well. The game starts out ok, but then the accelerator starts acting up. I can have the pedal all the way down and it is barely even revving and then all of the sudden the revs shoot up and it will shift to 2nd gear, but then it barely moves in 2nd gear. I just got the wheel yesterday and it works flawlessly in GTR2 and Dirt, but not Grid.

I had something like that happen to me while racing online yesterday. Had race a few races and was in the middle of a race and I lost my acceleration. Could not go fast enough to get out of second gear. I thought I must of hit something on the track and broke my car.

When the next race started, I still had poor acceleration off the start line, could not get car out of second gear. So I exit GRID and went to Game Controller properties window to test the gas pedal. I was only getting about half throttle and brake pedal was acting weird too.

I tried unplugging MOMO wheel then plug wheel back into USB port, then went back and tested pedals again, now both gas and brake pedals work fine now.

So suggest you try unplugging MOMO wheel and see it that fixes the problem.

[SCAVENGER1]

well i just wish i knew a way i can get my momo to be able to calibrate it. i have used the tool to remove it and it still does not show up for me. i have no clue as to why this is happening.

and now i no longer can accelerate fully any of the cars or circuits i have tried. and i don't know who i need to call to see if there is a different way of getting the calibration screen to show its self to me.

anyone else ever had this happen to them?

[SCAVENGER1]

Hi,
We've been in discussions with logitech about the problems, and have some new information to give you.

Firstly- the root cause of the problems (both axis confusion and lack of FF) is, at the point of installation of the wheel, plugging the wheel in before installing the Logitech Gaming sotware. It's very important that you don't do this, and only plug the wheel in when the software tells you to. Otherwise, windows auto-assigns a bunch of registry settings to the wheel which may not actually be right.

Despite this, We've identified an in-grid fix for the lack of force-feedback, which will appear in the upcoming PC patch.

As far was the "swapped axes" issue, it's not something we can fix with code within GRID, but after discussions with Logitech, they've created a new version of the "Clear Calibration" utility which you can find here (http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm#Clear%20Calibration%20Utility:). This performs the same actions that the previously-posted manual registry-edit did, without the requirement for you to head into your registry and fiddle with things. It shouldn't be neccesary to re-install the LGS unless it wasn't thoroughly installed the first time around (if you cancelled out of the calibration part).

Logitech is working on making improvements to the next version of the Gaming Software (5.03) so the axis problem should not happen again.

-additional-

It is not enough to just run the utility, because things still might go wrong based on the order of how things went. In some cases, just running the utility will make the force feedback work, but in others it won't.

However, if a user follows the following procedure, the force feedback should work in the game as it is now:

1. Plug in the wheel, and leave it plugged in through the whole procedure.
2. Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software
3. Run ClrCalib. Version must be 5.03.110 or more recent. Otherwise it won't work. Find the latest at:
http://wingmanteam.com/latest_softw...tion%20Utility:
4. Install latest Logitech Gaming Software (5.02). Follow the install without ever cancelling out.
5. Start and play the game. Axes will now be Y for accelerator, and Rz for brake. Force feedback should work.

If it doesn't, then I would be interested to see what the users following registry key looks like:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM

i have tried everything here in the GRID forums to no avail. the calibration tool to remove does not work or the manual regedit does not work either. unless there is more registries that need to be removed. so i then can manually calibrate my wheel. right now with GRID i do not have full or rapid throttle response at all. and force feed back is not as strong as it use to be when i played NFS MW .

. i have latest drivers and software for both my pc hardware and the momo wheel driver and such. the utility does not do anything when i try to use it. it flashes by very fast as there was nothing it could removed.

i just got done removing all logitech software and folders and registries . reboot and tried to run the installer 5.02 again. the spot were it has the calibrate , it does not have anything to do with it. all i get is the wheel controls and when depressed or use the wheel moves and makes noise for each button you push.

but it never goes into the calibration screen let alone showing one at all. is there other registries that need to be removed? so i can get the calibration screen so i can do it.and yet after this time the wheel force feed back is not as strong as it should be. i have it all set to 150% but not for the damper effect i have it at 0%, i have tried it at 150% but it seems to work better set at 0% .

my momo is 3 years old according to the bottom of the wheel 2005 . so could this be software or hardware as in the wheel being the problem?

i do have 2 screen shots of what my registries look like now. with the 2 main area that deal with the wheel and logitech its self. i hope a dev or admin or anyone else can help me with these problems.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/stuff/regedit1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/stuff/regedit1-1.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/stuff/regedit2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/SCAVENGER1/stuff/regedit2-1.jpg)

[Purple44]

SCAVENGER1, I think you are miss understanding what "Clear Calibration" utility does. All it suppose to do is delete any Logitech game controller registry lines ( like for MOMO and G25 ) under Joystick>OEM. This Utility does not "Calibrate" your MOMO wheel.

I only had one MOMO wheel listing under Joystick>OEM, how you get so many listings under Joystick>OEM ( 32 of them )? You try that many different wheels and gamepads and joysticks? The Vista 64-bit version of "Clear Calibration" utility I try back in June did not work, I had to delete the MOMO wheel listing under Joystick>OEM by mouse click.

I see you have XP, did you use the Logitech Clear Calibration Utility that on the CD that came with your MOMO wheel? Heddly at Flatout Joint posted adout using Logitech Clear Calibration Utility to fix MOMO in XP ( this utility work, not like the Vista 64-bit one that did not work ):


Logitech Clear Calibration Utility (http://flatoutjoint.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=535.0 )


i just got done removing all logitech software and folders and registries . reboot and tried to run the installer 5.02 again. the spot were it has the calibrate , it does not have anything to do with it. all i get is the wheel controls and when depressed or use the wheel moves and makes noise for each button you push.

When you go to Game Controllers properties window, it does not calibrate MOMO wheel, it just let you test it. Like the gas and brake pedals to see if you have full motion. In the last 2 days of last full throttle while racing online and use Game Controllers properties window to see I was only getting half throttle and after unplugging MOMO wheel and plugging MOMO back into USB port, i got full throttle back.

From your post it sound like you feel some force feedback, so to increase FF in GRID need to go Driving Options> Force Feedback and adjust the 3 settings. GRID defaults to 50% which feels on the weak side. I'm running with 80%, 90% and 90% FF settings.

[SCAVENGER1]

well for FFB in game settings are all set to 100% and then in control panel i have them all but 1 set to 150%. which i have posted screen shots of my in game and control panel settings of. which work ok but now it seems that some thing has changed and i think it came from the patch 1.2

[Purple44]

So you had normal FF in GRID before installing v1.2, but now you do feel some FF with MOMO, but it on the weak side and in Vista game controller window, MOMO work fine when testing it?

With Vista I had no FF back at all with v1.0 GRID until I did registry tweak. Codies said the v1.2 patch was suppose to fix this problem of no force feedback.

[SCAVENGER1]

well i don't have Vista i have XP 64bit. but yes in the control panel under game controllers i do not have the ability to calibrate my momo wheel at all. thats is why i thought that app was supposed to let you do again, recalibrate it. doesn't seem to matter how many times i try the app to remove the registries or un install the software and reinstall it . or even how it was done during the install since i have tried it both way. with the wheel plug in or not threw the hole process. and as for the screen i posted they are whats there after i did the last install of the logitech software . and one of those registries is for my usb head set which is also a logitech for like the ps2 is what it is for. but i use it for teamspeak or ventrilo or what ever game that has its own in game comms.

[Purple44]

Ok, thought you had Vista since you said " the manual regedit does not work either ". My MOMO work fine under XP 32-bit with the Demo, only had to do registry tweak for Vista when I install full version under my Vista 64-bit.

OK , lets start over, have you downloaded the XP 64-bit drivers ( lgs502_x64.exe ) from here?

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/320&cl=us,en?softwareid=3916&osid=1

When you go to XP's Games Controller window, is MOMO wheel the only controller listed and does window say OK next to MOMO listing? If so, then when you click Properties button, you see picture of MOMO wheel and when you hit each red button on MOMO wheel, does MOMO wheel react with force feedback? And when you press gas and brake pedals, does red line swing all the way over to the right, to show you are getting full throttle and full braking?

We need to know MOMO working fine here in Games Controller window before trying to fix in GRID.

[SCAVENGER1]

Ok, thought you had Vista since you said " the manual regedit does not work either ". My MOMO work fine under XP 32-bit with the Demo, only had to do registry tweak for Vista when I install full version under my Vista 64-bit.

OK , lets start over, have you downloaded the XP 64-bit drivers ( lgs502_x64.exe ) from here?

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/320&cl=us,en?softwareid=3916&osid=1

When you go to XP's Games Controller window, is MOMO wheel the only controller listed and does window say OK next to MOMO listing? If so, then when you click Properties button, you see picture of MOMO wheel and when you hit each red button on MOMO wheel, does MOMO wheel react with force feedback? And when you press gas and brake pedals, does red line swing all the way over to the right, to show you are getting full throttle and full braking?

We need to know MOMO working fine here in Games Controller window before trying to fix in GRID.
yes to the all above. and the reason was that i thought i could run the calibration via windows game controller. but i have not seen it since i have gone to xp 64bit sp2. which was last yr when i swap form xp pro 32bit sp3 to xp pro 64bit sp2.

[Purple44]

Ok, so MOMO work fine when you test it in XP's Games Controller window. And MOMO work fine in other racing games you have, like maybe Flatout 1 & 2? And you do feel some force feedback when all 3 force feedback settings are set to 80% in options in GRID when racing or is there no FF back at all? And use the default settings in Logitech Profiler for MOMO?

When you install v1.2 patch, did you install over GRID patch to v1.1 or over just stock v1.0 GRID? Guys have had problems when installing v1.2 patch over v1.1. Best to install v1.2 patch over a stock install of GRID.

With v1.2 patch, the new hardware_settings_config.xml file in " C:\Users\****\Documents\Codemasters\GRID\hardwares ettings " folder has a new line down toward the bottom of file when open with Notepad:

<input device_type="auto" />

Mine is set to auto and MOMO works under Vista 64-bit, but there have been posts that guys have had to change auto to " <input device_type="wheel" /> or even <input device_type="pad" /> to get their wheel to work OK. Could give this a try.

[SCAVENGER1]

uhm i think i installed over v1.1. but i have only played NFS MW and PS and then the demo for dirt. and the my wheel was very nice and FFB was great i could feel it would work like it should. only GRID does not, work like it does in my other driving games.

but i will try your little tweak here and see if changing it from Auto to Wheel will help my FFB and take the slope out of my wheel.

[SCAVENGER1]

well the tweak for the wheel did not help. and then i uninstalled GRID and reinstalled and the wheel is still sloppy as hell. i guess ill just uninstall it again and not patch it at all or just go to the 1.01 patch. since i got it to work on that patch.

ill just wait for the next patch to try and see if that will fix this game. if not then ill just leave it alone. and as to the sound card driver. i all ways make sure all of my drivers and even firmware are up to date.

just like a good pc gamer does. beside i reformat every 6 months to keep my rig running good some times i do it every 3 months depending on how many gfx driver i test. which tends to mess the OS a bit after a while.

i am a beta tester for tweak force .com

[turtl]

Upon inital install and update patch 1.2 everything worked ok. then all of a sudden i lost the ability to steer. Uninstalled profiler, ran clear utility and then reinstalled profiler. all features of the wheel work except 4 steering. when i customize my driving controls it recognizes the wheel and inputs the correct settings for the wheel. Can feel FF while driving but can't steer.

Wheel works fine in other racing games.

Thoughts?

Vista 32 SP1
2 GB RAM
GEForce 9600GT




Update: Resolved this by adjusting the advance control settings. Seems to be a very fine line between having control of the car and no steering ability.

[EggSuckingLeech]

I'm sure this isn't your case but my cousin had this same exact problem. And the issue wound up being simply that he didn't re-boot after installing the Logitech software. When you reboot, the software starts prompting you with calibration info.

I'm not saying this is your case but sometimes I wonder if many of these posts are like this where after they restart it's solved and you never hear about it again (from them).

[BEER4Paladin]

I just brought Logitech Formula Force EX and I've discovered that ... :
- I can't hold straight line, even with linearity set to positive 10 and saturation set to 65% (65% is the best I've managed to find, after over 6 hours of tweaking my wheel)
- I can't hold a small radius turn, even with linearity set to negative 10 and saturation set to 0%

I honestly don't understand the whole idea of "saturation" and "linearity". English ain't exactly my best language. No matter what I do, the game won't understand that when I turn my wheel 30%, I'm not turning it 100%. Same with throttle control and brake.

Funny thou, the wheel works fine with ToCA Race Driver 3 and even the mighty old Need For Speed Underground. One game I haven't dared to test it out on (YET!) is DiRT :D

Please ... anybody ... HELP ! I need to make this game understand what the limits of my wheel are. I don't wanna use only 30% of it's steering ratio.

Thanks in advance !

P.S. : Ops, forgot to mention ... OS is Win XP SP3 and I have already tried the Calibration Cleaning program and re-installing the wheel drivers (5.02).

[Purple44]

BEER4Paladin, I would suggest you reset the Advance steering options back to defaults, deadzone 0%, Saturation %100 and Linearity 4. Then work on just adjusting Linearity first.

Linearity setting seem to help control how well you can steer car straight down a straight away. So I would test different numbers until you can control car going down straight away pretty good. Don't worry about turning. ( Linearity set to 5 work good for my MOMO )

When happy with Linearity setting, then adjust Saturation. Saturation seem to control how sensitive your wheel is when turning. Some of the guys with G25 like Saturation in the 40-50 range. I did not like this range with MOMO. I'm using 80%.

On the Steering Deadzone, most people are using 0%. If you want a responsive steering wheel to small movements, then you want Deadzone to be 0%.

[BEER4Paladin]

Thanks a lot Purple44 ! :D

I did fiddle and played a lot with the steering settings and it turns out that really the saturation set to 100% seems to work best for me and my wheel. However, I still have something like a "full steer dead zone" at the end of my steering rotation. Unlike the keyboard, the wheel seems to be steering a lot more. Getting the wheel to about 50% steering effort in my current settings, makes it go as full lock on the keyboard. When I keep on turning it for about 25% more, it just keeps turn even more, resulting "happy" wheel-spin and "happy" tail behavior. On top of that, the final 25% steering of my wheel is completely useless as the cars just reach their full lock to about 75% steering effort on the wheel. I did tried the wheel on ToCA Race Driver 3 and it works a lot better there, so I guess I just need to get used to GRID's idea about wheel usage :D
Thanks again ;)

[Purple44]

Your welcome BEER4Paladin, what Linearity setting you go with? Players want to know. ;)

Did not think about watching my tires as I turn the steering wheel, So I did a quick check.

MOMO wheel rotate left to about 8 o'clock position and rotate right to about 4 o'clock position. So I got a camera angle where i could see the tries ( I use Shadow's Modders Camera (http://gridjoint.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=31&func=fileinfo&id=61 ) on the Mustang ), full turn left is at 9 o'clock and full turn right is at 3 o'clock. I think MOMO set about right, would not want to have to turn full rotation to get full turn on the tires.

[BEER4Paladin]

I got stuck with negative 5 for linearity ... Seems to make me hold long and wide turns better. I do have issues on the straights and I'm not as precise as before when I race others in avoiding contact, coz I'm still a bit ... ALL OVER THE ROAD. But it's cool now. Down to only 2 seconds behind my lap times which is good. I'm still playing around with the linearity thou. I vary sometimes with minor lap time difference, using -5, 0 and 5. -10 and 10 didn't worked well for me, as with -10 my car was always turning, no matter where I point the wheel at and with 10, the result was the opposite - my car would go straight and I had to keep turning-in which eventually was leading to oversteer and cornering with the tail in first.

Well, since the FF EX only turns to max lock at 9 and 3 o'clock, I find it rather annoying that i got the car to full steer lock where i'm about 10 and 2 o'clock. I got an hour of free time so to say :P Which in terms leads to messy cornering and not being able to race with another car right next to yours. Something I'm quite used to and familiar with in BEER. Keeping a racing lane is still an issue, but I think it's time to leave the settings alone and to try to make ME work good enough for the wheel ;)

Thanks again mate ! :D Cheers !

[Purple44]

Boy that does make it tougher with max lock at 9 and 3 o'clock and game has full turn at 10 and 2 o'clock.

I can see why your unhappy with the control of your car now. Maybe someone with same wheel can give you a tip on getting a fuller range or tip on how to deal with it.

[BEER4Paladin]

Well, we do have people on our team that use the same wheel, but the one I'm looking forward seeing right now for it (BEER4Zorada) is at a holiday :D
Bad timing I guess. But anyways, any other FF EX user around here could do me a great favor ... I just wonder if there are any :D

[BEER4Paladin]

Problem solved !
Logitech Formula Force EX finally works with it's full range.
I did tons of things to make it work thou.
1st, replaced "auto" with "wheel" ... somewhere in the hardware.ini file.
2nd, re-installed and re-calibrated the wheel.
3rd, added Force Feedback to the wheel, before it didn't had any. Sounds crazy, but exactly after this step, the wheel showed it's full potential.

I hope that helps to others FF EX users :D

[Purple44]

BEER4Paladin, what did you do to add FF back to wheel? Did not know you had this problem too.

With Vista 64-bit I had to do the manual tweak of registry to get force feedback to work with GRID. But you have XP SP3, with the Demo, FF work fine under XP SP2 for me.

[BEER4Paladin]

Well, initially, when I installed the wheel, with all the drivers and all, I've set it manually from the settings, not to use the FF at all. That measure was taken because I didn't wanted to hear the rattle from my desk. Now from the driver's settings the FF is ON, but from in-game it's OFF, so I don't have rattle and I have my full rotation control.
I'm already catching up fast on my previous keyboard times. Only thing that worries me, is that there is no way, how I can beat my time on Washington Street Circuit with the Skyline :( (ranked 16th last time I checked)

[Looneytick]

What are you Microsoft, you send out crappy programs and want us to fix it. BS Vista sucks and so does grid. I thought you had it together but guess what??? You don't.

[old timer]

No luck with FFB every thing else OK, in vista

[Purple44]

old timer, did you do the manual tweak of your registry to delete MOMO or G25 listing?

[godgoo]

If anyone could help me that would be great as i am going insane!

I have a logitech dfp, im running vista 32 and i have FF and the pedal work fine, the game recognises the wheel axis in the 'custom' controls menu but when i go to race i have NO STEERING.

I have tried the following...

I first tried the clear calibration and reinstall lgs option (ive done this 3 times now!)

I then tried the regedit solution (to no avail).

I've re-installed GRID to see if it was the 1.2 patch...nope

As my dfp is new i even tried a restore point from before it's installation, then uninstalled GRID (again) and did the clear calib AND the regedit just for good measure....no absolutely no effect!

if anyone can help me i would be most grateful as i bought the dfp pretty much because of grid!

Thanks in advance.

[Purple44]

godgoo, give this thread a look, maybe can use it to make sure DFP steering is set to the right axis:

Driving Force Pro issue (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303526&highlight=driving+force )

[bmaytum]

@ godgoo:

Q1: Outside of Grid or any other game, what do you see when running Windows' Game Controllers> Properties applet located in Control Panel? Do buttons, wheel, pedals respond in the Game Controller when you run its Test? If not responding in Properties , when you click Advanced, is your DFP shown as the Preferred Device?

I'm on G25, not DFP, but assuming that Logitech's Profiler+Driver installation package is similar (it is LGS v5.02 for G25 from Logitech website, maybe same or different for DFP- I dunno), it is Very Important to NOT connect the controller USB to your PC UNTIL the installer prompts you to do so! Q2: Did you do it this way or did you (incorrectly) connect USB prior to the installer prompt?

Q3: when you boot up your PC, does the wheel auto-calibrate (you should see it turn itself lock-to-lock and back to center rotation). If not, my guess (and its just a guess) is you connected USB prior to LGS prompt to do so.l

[godgoo]

@ Purple44, thanks ill check this out tonight

[godgoo]

@bmaytum,

A1; the pedals, wheel and all buttons respond fine and work fine in other games like nfsmw and flatout uc, im not using combined pedals in case ur wondering. and yes it is the preffered controller.

A2; all was installed properly, followed the instructions and plugged in then unplugged usb as instructed.

A3; yes it calibrates at boot up, locks both ways etc

the most frustrating thing is it seems to work fine in every game except for grid which is the game i want to use it for most!!! poop.

[DarkAlcazar]

i have a formula force EX steering wheel
i instal it properly
calibrate it
it work fine in nfs but in grid i cant iven configure my wheel! game didnt respond on all button and moving a wheel and pedals!!! hpw to fix it?

[godgoo]

godgoo, give this thread a look, maybe can use it to make sure DFP steering is set to the right axis:

Driving Force Pro issue (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303526&highlight=driving+force )

first off, thanks for the help!

ok. I tried everything in that thread to no avail, im almost ready to give up.

interestingly there was no '<input device_type="auto" ' in my config file but i put it in there and replaced 'auto' with 'wheel' which did resolve the pedal confusion when not using 'custom settings'. still no steering tho.

i also tried editing the Actionmap file with no effect.

rubbish, i've wasted too much time on this.

J-goo

[Purple44]

Hmm you did patch GRID to v1.2? That when that line got added to config file. And maybe in v1.1 too.

You did check the hardware config file under your Windows Documents folder, not the one in the GIRD\system folder?

[godgoo]

yeah im running 1.2 amd yes i checked the user\docs\codies\grid file not the program files equivalent but there is definately no line of code <input device_type="auto" (i used the search function) and when i manually enter it in there the game overwrites it! so who knows, it's a shame because now im not playing grid at all whereas before i was loving it even with an xbox controller.

cheers anyhow

[Purple44]

What version does config file say you have, 38 or 39?

<hardware_settings_config version="39"> Listed at top of page.

Version 39 is v1.1 or v1.2 patch.

Some have posted v1.2 patch did not get install to the right folder:

Fixed 1.2 patch not installing and fixes (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295040 )

[godgoo]

ok, thanks ana ll that...but

followed that thread's instructions because i did have version 38, uninstalled grid (again!), installed grid, installed fixed patch, copied the my docs folder back in... i now have version 39 and i changed 'auto' to 'wheel'- still no steering. this sucks.

[godgoo]

ok, this just got interesting, i just tried to play grid with my xbox controller and my keyboard and i now have no steering with those either!!!!!!

same thing... rumble on my xbox controller and the analogue stick works in the game menus, accellerator/brake work fine, just no steering.... so this is NOT an issue with the wheel but may be caused by it...

what i know so far is that this is an issue i only have in grid, it only started when i tried to use the dfp, re-installing dosnt work, even if i go and remove all the remaining data after uninstallation it makes no difference...may be a registry issue but im not clued up enough to go fishing around in there, tho ive tried deleting the reg key with the hardware id attached to it (i.e. manual clear calibration).

this is nuts!, now i can't play grid at all!!!! :(

[Purple44]

If you go and do a custom controls setup and assign the right and left steering, GRID does see the new KB assignments, the new xbox controller assignments and the new wheel assignments? But then when you try new assignments in game, there no steering?

http://www.flatoutjoint.com/downloads/purple44/GRID/GRID-custom-setup.jpg

[godgoo]

If you go and do a custom controls setup and assign the right and left steering, GRID does see the new KB assignments, the new xbox controller assignments and the new wheel assignments? But then when you try new assignments in game, there no steering?

http://www.flatoutjoint.com/downloads/purple44/GRID/GRID-custom-setup.jpg

correct, both customa and preset keys all look fine and all work fine EXCEPT steering (I've tested custom and preset for every different fix I've tried).

[Purple44]

Boy you got a strange one there godgoo, especially with the xbox 360 controller. GRID tweak to work well with that controller.

One thought, you don't have more than one usb controller device plugin at a time? GRID my not like having 2 controllers plugin at the same time ( like a wheel and the 360 controller ) or maybe even some other USB device.

[godgoo]

Boy you got a strange one there godgoo, especially with the xbox 360 controller. GRID tweak to work well with that controller.

One thought, you don't have more than one usb controller device plugin at a time? GRID my not like having 2 controllers plugin at the same time ( like a wheel and the 360 controller ) or maybe even some other USB device.

I havn't been using them at the same time, i do have a memory stick plugged in but then i was playing grid with xbox controller for months before all this happened with the memory stick (i use it for go fetch) so...

ill try it out without the memory stick but that dosnt explain why the steering dosn't even work on the keyboard anymore, this is nuts, I'm on to the pro stages and now i can't even play the damn game.

btw I really appreciate all your help on this, very frustrating though.

cheers

[gamevirus01]

mm i wonder if this will work with users playing with LOGITECH DUAL ACTION GAMEPAD because everytime i exit the game with LOGITECH DUAL ACTION GAMEPAD plugged in, i get the "GRID.exe has encountered an error"

[bmaytum]

@ Gamevirus01:

Altho your situation (having Dual Action Gamepad plugged in) is different than the specific condition reported in another thread http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=300510 m I suggest you re-post or add a post there back to your post #188 here. Maybe CM can fix both conditions when they come out with a new patch.

[Eric Boomer]

I have similar problem with Grid and MOMO racing wheel

I have followed the initial post advice and nothing is working.
I can't set axis,wheel button, pedal,etc in the option custom config

I have tried the following :
-Install Logitech 5.02
-Install Grid
-Wheel+pedal+button not working
-Clear Calib (with the clrcalib.exe)
-Wheel+pedal+button not working
-Doing this procedure
1. Plug in the wheel, and leave it plugged in through the whole procedure.
2. Uninstall the Logitech Gaming Software
3. Run ClrCalib. Version must be 5.03.110 or more recent. Otherwise it won't work. Find the latest at:
http://wingmanteam.com/latest_softw...tion%20Utility:
4. Install latest Logitech Gaming Software (5.02). Follow the install without ever cancelling out.
5. Start and play the game. Axes will now be Y for accelerator, and Rz for brake. Force feedback should work.
-Wheel+pedal+button not working
-Install Grid 1.02 patch
-Wheel+pedal+button not working
-Uninstall Grid
-Uninstall Logitech 5.02
-Clear Calib
-Install Logitech 5.02 (unplugued)
-Plug usb only when asked
-Install Grid
-Wheel+pedal+button not working
-Install patch 1.02
-Wheel+pedal+button not working

Again, I can't see x,y- whatever axis in the option menu. (left key,right,down,up key is by default) and I can't change an option (pressing ctrl im not an idiot) with the wheel button.

What can I try next ?

[jp2007csr]

HI im new here and i think i have the same problem of many. I just got GRID and i installed on my pc an works perfect but then i use my MOMO it goes well with the brake and the throtlle but the steering goes wrong it seems like i have to do a hard effort to turn around the car in the corners, and it happens only in GRID i use rfactor and the wheel goes well
I dont know what to do please help!!!

Tanks

[Purple44]

If force feedback is working ok, then give this thread a read to get idea of how to setup MOMO wheel with GRID:


Wheel support - what wheel do you have? (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280660 )

Also, are you using all assists ON or OFF? With assists OFF, the cars will be more of a challenge to control.

[CLIFFO]

Is there a solution for steering wheel problems with grid on ps3???

[Motisa]

I got my GRID full version for the PC today and went to install in my Vista 64 and after updating MOMO drivers, SB X-Fi drivers and my Nvidia video drivers, then after tweaking the settings in GRID, go to race first race and MOMO wheel has no Force Feedback at all!! :(

So I came here and try the things posted here about using WingMan Clear Calibration Utility ( I downloaded the Vista version ) and still no go with FF in GRID.

So decided to try the Manual editing of registry ( did a new restore point before I tweak registry ). Before I try this I did a test. I open the registry and found the MOMO wheel listing ( pic below ), then close regedit and ran WingMan Clear Calibration Utility, got an error about not being able to read joystick folder and then open registry again and check to see if MOMO wheel was still listed under Joystick>OEM and it was.

http://www.flatoutjoint.com/downloads/purple44/GRID/MOMO-registry-800.jpg

So then I manually deleted the VID folder that had MOMO wheel settings, exit regedit program, restarted computer and recheck to see if MOMO wheel listing was still gone, it was. Then reinstalled Logitech Profiler for Vista ( 5.02 64-bit ) and then started GRID and check the controller settings to make sure Force Feedback was set to ON, started a race and had FF. :)

Since Logitech utility is not deleting the MOMO listing in the registry, is there anybody here that can write a simple program to delete the MOMO listing and anybody here have pic of the G25 listing in registry?

MOMO wheel works fine in Flatout 2 under Vista 64-bit, so why GRID having this problem with MOMO wheel under Vista?

I also dual boot to XP and had no problems with the Force Feedback with the GRID demo.

I have Vista 32 bit with the Logitech MOMO wheel. My registry looked a little diffrent. i created a restore point and just deleted the VID_046D&PID_CA03 files. There were 2 of them and i deleted them both.
Reinstalled the software and started Grid. I have FFB now and my pedals work correctly now also.
This also fixed my pedals in Dirt also.

The registry clean on the 1st page does not work. I kept getting errors.

Thanks Purple44!

[Purple44]

Curious to know if you are running stock v1.0 GRID or you installed the v1.2 patch, when you was having troubles with the FF?

This was a major problem with stock GRID and Vista. I believe it been posted that the v1,.2 patch fix this problem so you do not have to do registry tweak by hand if you install v1.2 patch.

Hmm, but this problem been around since DIRT.

[Frustrated]

Hello all, merry Christmas and a happy new year !
I got a Logitech G25 (yeah !!!) and Race Driver Grid for PC (yeah !!! yeah !!!). And nothnig works correctly

(yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh !).
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo disappointed !
I tried to find someone with the same problem as mine in the forum but haven't up to now.
So here come the symtoms :
I have a PC way powerfull enough to make Grid work, windows Vista 32bit family premium edition.
I downloaded the latest logitech driver, followed the step by step install process then installed the game.
Everything went ok.
Untill I start to play with the G25 wheel.
The car keeps going backwards at full speed, no possibility to shift any speed, no reaction from any button of the g25, the

direction seems to respond, the pedals don't work...
The G25 is acknowledged by the game but does not allow to change anything in the profile devoted to the wheel.
But, there, in the selection screen of the game, the direction pad and the buttons of the speed shifter work ok.
In the Logitech profiler software, only the buttons of the speed shifter and those of the wheel trigger a reaction that can be

seen in the software (a blue arrow between towards the button lights up), nothing happen if I turn the wheel, or push the brake,

speed pedals, or the speed stick.
Only in the Windows interface, configuration panel, game peripherals does the G25 reacts properly, in the parameters field,

nothing is crossed, except the box that authorizes the game to adjust the parameters according to its needs.

What could I do ?

I tried to follow the different solutions proposed here in the forum : suppress entries in the registry and so on, with no

success. I patched the game with 1.1 then 1.2 addon, vainly...

[Purple44]

Did you try making a custom preset?

Logitech MoMo Racing Wheel not recognized (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324651&highlight=custom )

[Mr.D]

So i jus got this game and it looks like its turning out like the game Dirt i bought. I spent 1000 bucks gettng my system ready to play this damn game, only to find out that it still didnt steer right........i gave up. Now this game Grid....i got 3 gigs of memory on a dual core..all's good except for the steerin...way to touchy..?????What can I do....Using a logitech momo force feed wheel...I read most of the forums a one said to change to gamesettings to pads...i cant find that on this XP game..have hard disk....Help if you can, this game looks badass and if can get it to drive like gtr than im good...

[Frustrated]

Purple44 : thanks a lot.
Your tip worked.
Problem is that, it is not a satisfaction yet : even if I copy the settings proposed for the Momo, the cars in Grid keep behaving like soap cases more or less, for instance, on a simple right line, if I stop to accelerate, without even touching the wheel or the brake pedal, the rear wheels of the car start to slide to the left or to the right... So If this happens on a right line, imagine elsewhere on the circuits.
I do not have such problems with Rfactor for example ?
Is there a solution to this problem, please ?

[Purple44]

Well for the advance control settings, you will need to find what feel right to you and works with the G25. The guys with G25s setup their wheel differently than a MOMO. Like wheel rotation.

Read through this thread to get an idea of what settings the guys have use with the different wheels.

Wheel support - what wheel do you have? (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280660&page=1&pp=10 )

First I would readup and find the best setting for wheel rotation for the G25 and GRID.

I found in setting up my wheel I left the settings at default and work on the Steering Linearity first. This setting seem to control how straight your car go down the straight away. Go test drive a car you like to use a lot on a track has good straight away and adjust Linearity until you found a number that work for you. I've seen numbers posted from -5 to a +10.

You get your car driving straight, then work on Steering Saturation. This setting seem to control how well you can steer car going into and out of turns. Now keep in mind some cars have better grip than other cars and some cars like the F3000. if you give it to much gas coming out of turn, it will spin it tires and go sideways. And that with all assists ON. You racing with Assists ON or OFF.

Also most GRID racers use:

Steering Deadzone: 0%
Brake Deadzone: 5%

[old timer]

this worked for me,Momo FFB working' thanks.

[Nickwolf]

I have no idea what I am doing wrong but my Logitech Formula Force EX wheel refuses to be recognized by Grid.
No other racing game I have has this problem, but even after trying all the suggestions I could see in the opening post I am having no luck: The only thing the game will run with is my keyboard.

I have also tried re-installing Grid, updating to the 1.2 patch etc, but still no luck.

From a couple of posts I have seen references to a direct registry edit, but I cant find the details of this so that would seem to be my last hope unless anyone else has any suggestions?
btw- my OS is Vista X64, and the wheel works fine with everything else but with Grid the game just doesn't seem to even detect it.

Thanks in advance for any help that can be offered.

[Purple44]

It sound like you did not read through the whole thread.

With the v1.2 patch you should not have to tweak your registry manualy like I had to, to get my Force Feedback to work with MOMO wheel and stock v1.0 GRID.

Try reading this thread:

Problems with my Logitech Formula Force EX! Please help! (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287849&page=1&pp=10&highlight=Formula+Force )

If that thread don't help fix the problem(s), then read through " Logitech Steering Wheel Fix - UPDATED WITH NEW INFORMATION. " thread.

[Nickwolf]

It sound like you did not read through the whole thread.

With the v1.2 patch you should not have to tweak your registry manualy like I had to, to get my Force Feedback to work with MOMO wheel and stock v1.0 GRID.

Try reading this thread:

Problems with my Logitech Formula Force EX! Please help! (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287849&page=1&pp=10&highlight=Formula+Force )

If that thread don't help fix the problem(s), then read through " Logitech Steering Wheel Fix - UPDATED WITH NEW INFORMATION. " thread.

Thanks!!
Sorry for the noob mistake, but I assumed the wheel would be detected as a controller option automatically (the other 3 racing games I have all do)
I have assigned the custom keys to the wheel as specified in the links and so far so good. Gonna need some tweaking to find an optimal setting (the default is very hard to control atm) but at least I've got it running now.

[lilac]

I have the above wheel - the gaming software is a bit old 2004 but was recognised on toca 2 (although it had problems selecting buttons for accelerator)

the wheel is recognised as a controller by windows XP (SP2) but not by GRID which has set up keyboard as the controller only

I have tried some of the links to logitech updates on your post but they are not recognised.

Could anyone help as the Logitech gaming software internet update button is not highlighted in their programme so am not sure which gaming software is update to download - have they stopped supporting it ?

Surely I should be able to plug in and play - shouldn't grid recognise controller if windows does ?


thanks

[Purple44]

Did you try and make a custom preset? GRID does not recognize any wheels with the default preset.

http://www.flatoutjoint.com/downloads/purple44/GRID/GRID-custom-setup.jpg

[lilac]

no, how do you get into the custom screen pls ?
I have updated my logitech software to 5.02 but no further luck

[lilac]

think I may have got it - will have to wait for 'expert' to do a test drive - menus a bit confusing - buttons ie ctrl not clear for poor eyesight. will let you know thanks for prompt response.

[gitolo]

Hi
I have Driving Simulator SIMURIDE by Aplusb Software Corp that works with G25.
It works perfectly with XP but now, after installing 32 bit Vista HomePremium SP1 the G25 doesn't work as supposed to be.
After installation the latest driver 5.02 I had finally the access to the steering wheel setting.
However, the clutch and gas pedals do not work properly as soon as I start the game.
Neither manual nor automatic vehicles work.
The gas goes by itself, RPMs increases.

I came back to XP and everything works perfect.

Any one knows solution to this problem?
Thanks

[sub84]

Hi
I have Driving Simulator SIMURIDE by Aplusb Software Corp that works with G25.
It works perfectly with XP but now, after installing 32 bit Vista HomePremium SP1 the G25 doesn't work as supposed to be.
After installation the latest driver 5.02 I had finally the access to the steering wheel setting.
However, the clutch and gas pedals do not work properly as soon as I start the game.
Neither manual nor automatic vehicles work.
The gas goes by itself, RPMs increases.

I came back to XP and everything works perfect.

Any one knows solution to this problem?
Thanks

Your answer is in this thread i believe...
also the clutch isn't supported in grid....though i think it can be remapped to be used for something else...

gl sub84

[Manatoba]

Logitech have now released drivers version 5.04 for the G25 wheel (also works for Driving Force GT apparently).

Available in 32bit and 64bit, for XP and Vista.

[XLR8TR]

Logitech have now released drivers version 5.04 for the G25 wheel (also works for Driving Force GT apparently).

Available in 32bit and 64bit, for XP and Vista.

Thanks for the info!

[bmaytum]

First thanks for info that new v5.04 Logitech Gaming Software is available
[ http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=1 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=1) ]

Has anyone tried tried v5.04 on a G25? If so, is it same/ better/ worse than v5.02 I'm currently using with NO problems? I ask because the Release Notes on that web page for v5.04 download only mention this version adds support for Driving Force GT wheel.

If v5.04 is same or worse than v5.02 for G25, I'll stick with v5.02.

[Manatoba]

If nothing else, the 5.04 version puts a much nicer (more modern style, and with transparent background) system tray icon in, to replace the horrid, jaggy 'W' (for Wingman) icon.

Also I was encouraged in the way it regarded my v5.02 driver as being a "legacy" driver, and asked me to remove it all first before installing v5.04.

So far I have only had the chance to try it on NFS:Underground 2, and not on Grid with forcefeedback active, so can't say for sure how much of an improvement, if any, it is there.

The Logitech Profiler window looks all the same to me, so no major changes there, but the actual scaling of input data and the forcefeedback motions etc could still be quite different.

P.S. As per my signature, this is with a G25 wheel/pedals.

[EDIT] I got to play Grid for a little while last night, and the only difference I could easily notice was that the force of the self-centering (which I have turned on) was a little stronger than usual, even though no values were changed.

[cesthree]

New information exists for getting your G25 working with Vista x64.

Check it out.

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335676

[KortanR]

Hello guys,

I have a Driving Force EX (originally for PS2/PS3). It's almost the same as the Formula Force EX.

I did everything suggested in this thread but I don't get this thing to work. The game doesn't even recognise that there is a wheel plugged in.

Anybody out there who has an idea what I can do (except buying another steering wheel ;))?

By the way: the wheel is recognised by Windows (Vista 32 bit) an works fine with other games (e.g. NFS Pro Street).

Thanks alot!

Kortan

[Kimbalugs]

I would like to share this information to everyone, First I would like to thank the first person who wrote down the registry edit below..

Note: Never remove the wheel in the usb
: Never un install the LGS "mine is 5.02"

1) Determine the hardware ID of the wheel:
Open Device Manager and select Human Interface Devices
Right-click the wheel in question and click Properties
Click on the Details tab
Under the Property dropdown, select Hardware IDs
Under Value you can find the hardware IDs, which will look like (but not exactly- these are examples):

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03&REV_0019
USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03

2) Run regedit

3) Delete the following registry keys which correspond with the hardware ID found in step 1:

EG: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID _046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\VI D_046D&PID_CA03
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\Joystick\OEM\V ID_046D&PID_CA03

4) Open Device Manager, Delete the item under HID Logitech momo usb.

5) Press F5 or Refresh on keyboard.

6) Run Grid

7) Under control use Custom

This works to me im not sure if will work in other PC setup, Im using Sony Vaio VGN-FZ25S

Goodluck..

-- END--

[Purple44]

Kimbalugs, what version of GRID you using, stock v1.0 or patch v1.1 or v1.2? If v1.2, I'm surprise you still had to do a registry tweak.

[KortanR]

OK.

I really didn't think that this would happen to me:

I just forgot to push the return button before tryind to bind the controls. :bw:

The wheel works fine now...

I'm sorry for anyone who has spend any time thinking about my problem!

BTW: Thanks to everyone who's trying to help people in this forum!

[Kimbalugs]

Kimbalugs, what version of GRID you using, stock v1.0 or patch v1.1 or v1.2? If v1.2, I'm surprise you still had to do a registry tweak.


I am using the stock Grid 1.0

[Kimbalugs]

Kimbalugs, what version of GRID you using, stock v1.0 or patch v1.1 or v1.2? If v1.2, I'm surprise you still had to do a registry tweak.


You maybe right.. All i have to do is to delete the logitech momo usb under the device manager and refresh.

Anyway, It is working now.

[John Guy]

This information is exacly what I have been working for. I will let you all know if it works.

[Miss M]

Malrog! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I am terribly new to this whole controller thing. We've always used the keyboard, but then my son just bought this game with his allowance and birthday money. Then we picked up a Logitech WingMan Formula GP at a flea market for $10.

I found and installed the software, and could see that it was working as far as Windows was concerned, but I couldn't get the game to even realize that there was a wheel present. I thought I might need to set up a custom configuration, but couldn't figure out how.

Your step-by-step instructions had the wheel up and running in minutes, and we've been having a blast with it ever since!

Thank you again!!! :) :) :)

[mozel]

Hello all.

Im having some problems with my Logitech Formula Force EX. I tryed all solutions in this thread, but nothing works. The thing is my wheel doesnt work at all, not even the buttons when i try to f.ex bind handbrake to a key on my wheel. Im running Vista 64-bit. My wheel works like normal in any other games (Need for speed, Euro truck simulator etc).

So, is there anything i can do at all to fix this?

[howie2008]

Hey guys, got the G25, nice solid wheel!
I read through all these Vista problem posts, and finally got my Axis' etc working correct, but im having trouble calibrating the steering.

Playing with the dead zone and saturation, I can almost get something that feels right, but no matter what, I cant get it the car to easily drive straight.

I have my deadzone at 0 or 5 and my saturation at 10 or 15... and it doesnt seem like theres room to breathe to get it right. I either have very sensitive steering, with no good straight driving, or the opposite, very loose steering and very straight driving.

What can I do to get this right? It just doesnt work well.

I guess my question is, will tweaking the settings in GRID AND the LOGITECH Profiler work in conjunction? Does one over ride the other? Or do they mix well, ie. maybe I need to set the Profiler to be more sensitive and GRID to be less or vice versa?

Also, do I set the steering degrees to 900, or leave at 200, or set something in between for realism?

As cool as a wheel is, this seems to be a major pain in the ass to get it to feel right, its kinda not fun nor playable... I hope I can fix this and didnt waste money on a wheel.

Oh! and is there a way to use a Clutch in GRID? I read somewhere no, but thats kinda strange isnt it? Do any racing games allow a clutch? Also, can I set my gearbox to do sequential in grid? Seems like when i switch it on, I can only go between 1 and 2 gears...

EDIT: Thanks to PURPLE - http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5581195#post5581195
Cheers!

[Xfxforce1992]

I have a Wingman formula force GP and i cant get it to work wifh Grid. It works fine wifh need for speed shift but race driver grid dosent work, when i turn the wheel ore the pedals the game dosent reac. I have done the things that this guy in this thread sad but it dosent work. :bw:



Vista home 64 bit
Amd Phenom II 940 x4 3.0ghz
4 gb 1066 hyperX
xfx gtx 260 black edition overclocked
wingman formula force GP

[Purple44]

Give this thread a read and see if it helps:

Wheel setup (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342069 )

[Squinzirillo]

Major problems for me with MOMO wheel.
Here's the story:
1 month ago I installed patch 1.3 (os XP) and everything was ok.
2 weeks ago I installed Windows 7, reinstalled the game (including patch 1.3), installed new MOMO driver (v. 5.08) from Logitech and troubles started :(
I could not play smoothly as before but what is worst is that cars are extremely slow. my laps are generally 1.5/2 secs. slower than before :(((

What can I do ?
Sq

[bmaytum]

FYI -
Logitech released version 5.08 software for G25 wheel+pedals for Windows 7 (32- & 64-bit, may also apply to Vista?). LWE v5.08 work well on my Windows 7 Professional 64-bit for GRiD and all other racing games I've tried thus far (NFS Shift, Undercover, WR2, TDU, Race07&GTR-E).