Can Dwarves make good hunters ?

[SilentMick]

well can they ?
i guess it'll be hard a the begining since they get the agility decrease but can they get it back ? and is it in any way worth it since dwarves seem to be axe weilding maniacs instead of presice archers in my opinion

so what do you make of them as hunters ?

[zimoo]

Certain class/race choices are only as good as the person sitting at the computer playing the game. The best guardians I know are all hobbits and elves, yet everyone thinks of them as really unsuitable for the role. Likewise, most dwarf guardians (i.e. perfect guardians...) are absolutely useless.

Agility is not as important as people would have you believe, especially when considering the incredibly minor bonuses provided by your racial choice. My agility hovers just over the 200 mark, yet I still do enough damage to easily pull aggro if I'm not careful and crit about 1/5th of the time.

[Turkisch]

I dont really agree with Zimoo in this case. I have a man hunter but sometimes wish I would have gone Elvish. Because some of the race-traits elves get are really really usefull to archers. Doesnt make dwarf/hobbit and man hunters useless. Its just not a perfect setup.
So you could make a dwarven hunter, and I guess the difference would only be marginal at the lvl 50 mark (because your stats are mostly coming from your gear then anyway). Wouldnt be my first choice though =P

[Philbert]

Dwarves certainly can make good hunters. As others have said, it's quite easy to offset the agility penalty with equipment as you level up, however for the first 10-20 levels (if you aren't twinking the hunter with gear you or your kinmates have crafted) you really will feel that Agility penalty with the amount of missed shots. Once you start getting good gear (loot rewards or crafted) things will even out (the agility penalty will start meaning less and less anyway as the numbers hit double and eventually triple figures,) and you'll be hitting or missing just as much as most other non dwarven hunters.

If you do decide to make one, then good luck and try to stick out those first few levels.

[HardOnails]

dwarves only really make good door stops, they certainly need to be outside due to the smell

the best race is man due to there in combat healing racial skill

theres no reason for a dwarf not to be a hunter, the agil bonus of elves becomes irelevant end game since agil is caped at 500 and im at 482 agil unbuffed now

[zimoo]

Turkisch, likewise I disagree with you :p. I assume you're refering to the bow damage racial, but is 2% worth it? The biggest heartseeker hit I've heard of is around 2500. With the elven racial this would add an extra 50 damage, on our 5 minute cooldown...

Granted it all adds up, but I'd much rather be able to self heal myself once an hour (twice with my necklace :p) than get a tiny increase to my ranged damage.

HardONails, what are your morale/power/regen looking like with that much agility?

[Underhorse]

The best guardians I know are all hobbits and elves,
Hobbits are a great class for guardians, they have the Mighty Hobbit +20 might thing, which even when coupled with the -8 might to begin with, they still have 12 might that no other race can achieve.

[Belion_]

dwarves cna go hunters id rather a dwarf hunter then a hobbit hunter! ;)

i dont agree with zimoo hovering at 200 agility is definatly not a good thing. agility = dmg for hunters

[SilentMick]

thanks for all the responses guys
i've beewn thinkin about dwarf hunters for awhile now since they getr the might bonus dont they so that would help the hunters lack of melee combat alot wouldnt it ?

[Elisar]

thanks for all the responses guys
i've beewn thinkin about dwarf hunters for awhile now since they getr the might bonus dont they so that would help the hunters lack of melee combat alot wouldnt it ?
no, because hunters have 0 melee capability (that 4 melee skills are better not to train at all). it will help u to decrease melee damage, but +20 might isn't much.

and for +2% bow damage - there are reports that this trait is bugged and not working properly.

[nightbyday]

it's a role playing game you pay you play.

all breeds are fun some with a more advanatges than others and it goes with out saying the 'man' racial is fantastic. With Hunters getting a melee buff hmmm dwarf?

Like it has been said just try to get as much agility items as possiable to start

[Beorrahn]

The difference between most non-human races is pretty minimal t'be honest.

Elves get buffed Agi and Fate, a 10 second +75% parry once per hour, and a slow racial stealth.

Dwarves get buffed Might, Vit, and Fate, +1% common mitigation and an even better 10 second buff (+70% to all mitigations IIRC),

Hobbits get buffed Might and Vit, Feign Death, +1% shadow mitigation, and a racial stealth.

Humans get imba ;). +1% parry and evade (and block but that's irellevant to hunters), +5% to all incoming heals, buffed Might, Fate, and Will, and the 24XX-29XX heal once an hour.

Any race works pretty well for Hunters - most go the legolas-wannabe route, some go the PvMP (human) route, personally I went for a Hobbit for the comedy value ;).

As for the Agi, no-one has ever bothered doing the math, but there's some interesting Might-related posts on the Turbine forum. It works out that roughly every 15 points of Might on your char gives you +1% damage with melee weapons, presumably it's the same with Agi and ranged.

As for people's obsession with damage, meh, if the class were supposed to be a trained, battle-hardened archer it'd be called "longbowman", all toons would be physically deformed, and would have nothing but bow skills. Granted it'd do more damage and faster, but there'd be no ports, no tracking, no traps, no camoflage. I'm quite happy with the Hunter skills fitting in with what a Hunter actually is (although I'd rather they called it "Woodsman" so people wouldn't draw the WoW comparisons they sometimes do) :).

Hobbits are a great class for guardians, they have the Mighty Hobbit +20 might thing, which even when coupled with the -8 might to begin with, they still have 12 might that no other race can achieve.

Dwarves and Humans both have +15 Might as a passive racial, just FYI. that and the +2% block or +1%block/parry/evade are why most Guardians are one of those two races ;).

[HardOnails]

Turkisch, likewise I disagree with you :p. I assume you're refering to the bow damage racial, but is 2% worth it? The biggest heartseeker hit I've heard of is around 2500. With the elven racial this would add an extra 50 damage, on our 5 minute cooldown...

Granted it all adds up, but I'd much rather be able to self heal myself once an hour (twice with my necklace :p) than get a tiny increase to my ranged damage.

HardONails, what are your morale/power/regen looking like with that much agility?

pretty good, 2900 moralee, 1900 power, i have the power regen trait since bards is totally pointless now

if i need morale i have anouther kit that gives me 3800m and 2400power and approx 370 agil

[SFC1971]

The stats in this game are MEANINGLESS.

Well not really, but if you see someone talk about the difference +20 agility makes, ignore him. Check it for yourselve, what it really does to your stats.

Oh sure, you want to upgrade your armour and equipment but in the end you will be working your ass off for tenths of a percentage increase in your ranged critical change.

Early on that +20 bonus seems nice and impressive as you need a full set of items to equal it, but later on a captain can give you far greater bonusses.

Start a race you like. Play a character whose butt you want to stare at for the next couple of months. Have fun. And accept that 50 levels later you still suck. This is an MMO, not an RPG, if you want to be god like play Neverwinter Nights.

With the best armour and best race mix up, you will barely be any more effective then a player who didn't max out. I recently dropped all my agility specced gear for a nice red armour. Still got agro in strength mode. That is a full 100 points agility less.

As for solo mode, read my sig.

[Conder]

Hobbits are a great class for guardians, they have the Mighty Hobbit +20 might thing, which even when coupled with the -8 might to begin with, they still have 12 might that no other race can achieve.

12 might doesn't make you stand of fall. As was said, it's the person behind the character. After all it's not the 1-2% difference you gain of your race.

[nightbyday]

[QUOTE=SFC1971]...Play a character whose butt you want to stare at for the next couple of months...QUOTE]


Now this is the most important part about choosing a race, you will note the development has spent a lot of time in effort in make sure female humans rears sway in the most perfect way whilst holding a peanut between the knees.

dwarfs are even better

[Lord of the Haradrim]

no.............

[Syn The Dwarf]

I am a level 50 dwarf hunter. I have never seen another one on my server, in fact i actually asked on an OOC channel yesterday if there were any dwarf hunters at all online, 1 replied. Not to say there were not more but i was not suprised.

I enjoy rolling "oddball" combos rather than going the cookie cutter uber route. Dare to be different i say.

[nightbyday]

no.............

coming from some one who has played no games this week and 41 hours of lotro all time :P

you can't say no with out an explanation, well you can say no but it is discounted as a comment with out a conclusion.

define 'good hunter' = 'define a player who is good at playing a character, there fore the race is irrelevent comparative to the importance of a 'qulity' player.

the answer to the question is 'yes' dependent on player

[pleijpje]

Im a hunter dwarf and proud of it.. Just feels good.. Dont care about stats and all that. Its the nature...blah blah

[Underhorse]

Dwarves and Humans both have +15 Might as a passive racial, just FYI. that and the +2% block or +1%block/parry/evade are why most Guardians are one of those two races ;).
Bah, Hobbit Guardians just look cooler then. Sorted.

[Jessie]

Can happily say I'm very happy with my lvl48 Dwarf Hunter, started on Pre-release day -1, most mobs same level are dead before they get near me :D

[iBilly]

As an Elven Hunter with far too much Agility and not enough Vitality, I can honestly say I'd prefer the Dwarven racial bonuses right about now.

[Ithilion]

i think dwarves can make good hunters, haven't tried it though so i don't really know.